5000 muslims storm church in Egypt & stab nun!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  1. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    Three killed in Egypt church riot



    Protesters threw stones at the Coptic church and police officers

    Three people have died during a riot outside a Coptic church in Alexandria, Egypt, after a protest against a play accused of offending Islam.

    Police used sticks and tear gas to hold back a crowd of some 5,000 protesters who marched on St George's church.

    Dozens of people were injured in the crush. One man who died was trampled and had inhaled tear gas, police said.

    On Wednesday, a Muslim man stabbed a nun in protest at the sale of a DVD of the play, staged at the church in 2003.

    The demonstration was the latest in a series of incidents at the church related to the performance of the play.

    Entitled I Once Was Blind But Now I See, the drama tells the story of a poor young Copt who is drawn to Islamist militants who then try to kill him.

    'Not insulting'

    Coptic Christian leaders have said the play depicts the dangers of extremism, not of Islam.

    "Copts would never tolerate anyone insulting Islam," Coptic Bishop Armia is quoted by Egypt's official Mena news agency as saying.

    The Egyptian Interior Ministry described the protesters as "fanatic elements" who "escalated a negative reaction to a play", according to the Associated Press new agency.


    A nun was stabbed at the church by a young Muslim on Wednesday


    The ministry said the demonstrators gathered near the church in the Mediterranean port city after Friday noon prayers at local mosques.

    Stones were thrown at the church and police officers, injuring 20, and cars were set alight before police fired tear gas to disperse the crowd. Dozens of people were arrested.

    Relations between Muslims and the Coptic minority - which makes up 5%-10% of Egypt's population - are generally calm, although tensions sometimes flare.

    Copts remained the majority in Egypt for centuries after the 7th Century conquest of the country by Muslim armies.

    Nowadays, they complain of discrimination in the workplace, restrictions on church construction and periodic fears that Christians are being forced to convert by Islamic extremists.


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    A lot of people in this forum say not all muslims are extremists, just a few, well here is 5000 so called just a few muslims attacking a church, and also stabbing a nun HOW BRAVE.

    This all happened after
    Friday noon prayers at local mosques, it seems to me that alot of these attacks whether in pakistan, or iraq, or other muslim countries happen after prayers, just what is being said to them to incite them to hate.

    When catholics or buddhists come out of churches and temples, they are relaxed and good natured, so why are some muslims so angry after coming out of mosques?
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Oh for Christ's sake, if you'll forgive an atheist for using a convenient expletive. There are more than a billion Muslims on this planet.

    I would expect this kind of rant from an American because we have absolutely no sense of history, but not from an Englishman. Islam was founded about 600 years after Christianity and it has been tracking pretty closely. If you'll think back to what Christians were doing 600 years ago--yes even you well-mannered Englishmen--it looks pretty much the same. Repulsive and unforgivable acts were commonplace and committed in the name of God. The Renaissance and Reformation hadn't quite happened yet but they were around the corner. Many students of Islamic civilization believe that Islam is destined to undergo its normalizing movement very soon.

    The crap that's going on now could be seen as the desperate attempts of men who like things the way they are (and it's always we men who do this) to reject outside influences or natural growth that's going to change them. The Inquisition was reactionary Christendom's attempt to do the same thing that the reactionary Wahhabi and other Muslims are trying to do today.

    I wish I could live to see all of the Abrahamic religions run out of steam and become just quaint chapters in history. Monotheism has proven itself to be a sterile, constricting model of the human spirit that brings out the worst in men more often than their best. Patriarchy dismisses half of the human race and encourages the other half to make life into one endless fraternity hazing. Monotheistic, patriarchal religions were a bad idea in the first place and they keep getting worse.

    This article should be titled, "5,000 Abrahamists storm Abrahamist place of worship in a country that has had multiple variants of Abrahamism imposed on it and stab Abramist religious leader of the gender that has been considered chattel throughout most of Abrahamist history."
     
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  5. Hagar Registered Senior Member

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    That's not a bad idea. From now on I will simply refer to all of these maniacs as Abrahamists. In fact, Evola was a big fan of such a term and although he wasn't too popular (because of Abrahamist hatred) I think the term could come back in vogue.
     
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  7. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

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    yeah, a small dose of objectivity puts a whole new spin on things.
     
  8. Rekkr Registered Senior Member

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    What should we do? Convert to wicca? /sarcasm off

    What is bad about this "patriarchy" of which you speak? What is bad about this "monotheism" of which you speak? How is monotheism worse than polytheism? And did it ever occur to you once that mankind is patriarchal because of biology? Men are hunters, women are gatherers. Men provide/fight/lead and have the best systematizing abilities, women gather/care/follow and have the best empathizing abilities. You are just as naive as the feminists...
     
  9. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    You have no idea how islam is affecting the British and cut the condecending crap when you refer to the English. We do have a history and we have our own language which is more than you can claim. So when an Englishman states a point of view, take note. FYI Islam is still 600 years behind civilisation.
     
  10. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    Is 9/11 a quaint chapter in your history book?


    Would you have prefered to have seen the headllines saying that "A few Abrahaminsts flew two planes into buildings consisting of other Abrahaminic people and athiests"?

    Would that put the slant in history that you speak of?
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Actually, stu43t, American Standard English is a recognised unique variant of English. So, the Americans do have their own language.

    Ok, back to the topic...
     
  12. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    A recognised unique variant of English is called an accent - not a language. So, no you don't have your own language.

    Back to the topic....
     
  13. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, Abrahamists. I'm all for that term.

    - N
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    But it's more than just an accent. Americans use different words for some things. And they have unique expressions they developed themselves.
     
  15. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    I know that you would like to have something original in America such as a language of your own, but the truth is that you haven't.

    According to the CIA and the 2000 census of the USA, the languages spoken are as follows:

    English 82.1%, Spanish 10.7%, other Indo-European 3.8%, Asian and Pacific island 2.7%, other 0.7%

    No mention of American language!
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    British English itself is a massive amalgam of other languages. Just look at the dictionary, and you'll see the origins of words - copied from old French, Latin, Norse, etc., with liberal borrowings from just about every other language (anybody for a "banana"?).

    What the British call "crisps", Australians call "chips". What the British call a "tap", Americans call a "faucet". The list of differences between American and British English are well documented. Do you really want to continue with this discussion? If so, maybe you should start a new thread.

    And, BTW, stu, I'm not American. I have another "language of my own", called Australian English.
     
  17. esp Registered Senior Member

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    fraggle rocker wrote...
    I defend the right of the English to be as stupid, pig headed, ignorant or insular as any American!
     
  18. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Finally, some muslim fanatic shows some sense and kills one of those brainwashing nuns.
     
  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Atheism doesn't exactly have clean hands either. Ever hear of Stalin? Or how about Mao? Any system of government that allows absolute power to the government will result in a bloodbath, be it an atheist communist dictatorship or a "Christian" Divine right King. People need something to believe in. If it's not religion, it's "the party" or Mother earth or "the race" or something.
     
  20. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Funny how people can't distinguish between 'atheistic' and 'secular'.
     
  21. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    So what you are saying is we have to wait for another 600 years before there religon becomes civilised, which by then our religons will have progressed another 600 years, so we have to wait another 600 years for them to progress further.

    Muslims are men and women right, and all humans evolve the same way, we all know what is good and evil by instinct, we dont have to be taught this, like animals by instinct know there enemies, and hunting grounds.

    So your concept of the religon being 600 years behind western religon, is stupid, THEY CHOOSE TO KEEP THERE RELIGON BACKWARD, THEY DONT WANT TO MODERNIZE IT, they could be on this planet for another million years and there religon will not change one bit, the reason being is there is no supreme muslim leader to show them the way.
     
  22. stu43t Valued Senior Member

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    Good idea blue

    Actually it would be interesting to hear views of this.

    I'm from Yorkshire where (In places)the accent can be very strong - you wouldn't understand a word of it.

    I couldn't understand Billy Connolly when he first hit the stage with his comedy act. He was told to calm his Scottish accent so that he would obtain communication to a wider audience. Now he has a very soft Glaswegian accent which is understood by all the English speaking world. I've heard of Gaelic and Welsh as languages, and that is correct - but never Scottish English or Welsh English or even Yorkshire English - the language is English.
     
  23. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    I think this massive egypt church attack by muslims, is further proof of them victimising, and not tolerating other religons in there countries, whether its the christians in indonesia or lebanon or iran, or the harmless tea pot cult in malaysia
     

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