Hey All, Always was curious as to peoples thought in regards to the creative mind. Is this an in born talent? Is it a skill in which one can hone and sharpen? Meaning it can be learned? Or can it not. In the public eye who would you consider to be a creative type? Tim Burton? Do illicit drugs play a role? I'm thinking greatest singer, song writers, performers of all time and it's tough to simply discount that. Lennon Marley Elvis The Beatles Stones Shoot, the list is endless. Just curious -b-
I'd have to say it's a little of both - some people are fortunate to be born with large amounts of talent, others work hard to express themselves, others fall in between, as with any skill. As to illicit substances, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is one of the albums I think is most creative, and has a definite influence from drugs. However, the ost creative director IMO, David Lynch, does not appear to be influenced by drugs to any great extent.
I agree with Geodesic. Just how creative your mind will be is largely determined at the time of your conception. Genes. Just like anything else, ie. intelligence, talent, popularity, etc.
Piper at the Gates of Dawn. Brilliant! One of the all time fav's. But I can't help but think Syd Barret was probably and interesting creative character prior to his use. apendrapew - popularity?
Even interpersonal skills? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing I just find that interesting. Until now I would have simply assumed those interactions as learned traits based on enviroment and personal experience. And I still might. Intersting though.
Creativity is in the blood, how you choose to use it is your own path.... I am surprized you mentioned nothing but Musical Artists. What about creativity in the eyes of Painters, Sculptures, Scientists or just some poor smuch looking to earn a few bucks out on the street.... Talent on the other hand... that is a toughy... many factors can be linked to "talent"... For singers.... its genetic... For song writers... it could be any number of things... Either way, your gonna get a great preformance Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
creativitity is inherent, i believe, but skill can be learned. IE, someone with absolutely no creative edge could still become the most skilled at the craft they fancy.l
Fish grown in the wild are MUCH smarter/creative than those in fish farms. So I would say it depends on environmental strain. Also, testosterone in the brain shows a correlation with creativity.
Creativity can be learned. The creative part of the mind is located in the right hemisphere. By doing certain type of excersises on a daily basis, it is possible to improve your creative cognization skills. Don't listen to the nay sayers, what they say is farse. Think of the brain as a muscle. Ask any qualified brain expert and he/she will tell you the same. Training is easy, get your hands on some IQ exam's and train. Do many word problems, write poems. And remember PERFECT PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT. So get some books which prepare you for it. Sleep works too http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3418017.stm There are also torrents you can DL which relate to increasing "brain power". I can attest to this idea, my IQ went from a 120 to 140 in a year's time. All it takes is hard work and determination.
i dont believe te brain islike a muscle......ie., that yo havet grunt and do abc to get it like a muscle mary.....oh no you can be creativejust lookin at a tree. just relax and freely look at said tree. that's it
I agree with business. Creativity can be learned, and it can be opened up in anyone if theyre persistant enough. Its a process of musing and building on your creative means. Neither my father nor my mother were or are very creative, and I suppose looking back at my life neither was I until I was about 25 or 26. Im 38 now and I struggled with art and hated what I did up until age 26, but I still pursued several creative forms anyways. One day it I just felt something give way, like an ice house melted an collapsed inside of me that had kept me from being creative and adept. All of a sudden I could write. Since then its been continuously building and my awareness of different means of creative expression and creativity in everything developes and opens up more and more. Sculpting, playing music, painting, building things, inventing ways to approach things that seem hopelessly unmanagable etc. You have to figure as your awareness of the world and how it seems to works grows, when you really start to become saturated with awarenesses, and a good portion of what you experience is known to be tied together, you can use all those connections to reinvent your way of seeing anything. In a sense, every one of us grows through small stages where we enlighten to ourselves and the world around us. So, along with those stages of expanded awareness is the potential for greater creative potential. Also, it takes effort, and desire and persistance. I tend to think anyone can be really creative. THe belief that a lot of people hold on themselves that they simply are not and can not be as creative as anyone else makes it so far far more than some reality(if any) that determines ones creative potential outside of their ability to affect it positively with growth. Of all the years I spent really hating the juvenile lackluster attempts I made to be creative, somehow I never believed or told myself that it was because I couldnt be it... or That I simply didnt have it. I always felt that if someone else could find that space in Mind, then I could too, It was just a matter of searching and alignment somehow. I found out I was right.
Creativity is a very interesting thing and it isn't developed as much as it is enhanced by learning new and different things to use your creativity with or for. If you are creative then by going to school you learn about ways to use your creativity and the broder your spanse of education or knowledge is the greater use of your creativity you will have.
Thats an interesting choice of a person to illustrate your point by, seeing as his creative outlet is so involved with gymnastic exercises and dependant on stretching every filiment and toning every muscle and extending...er.. Anyhow, (and not that youve done this here exactly. My comment isnt personally directed really)I cant help wondering why people do that. A person considers themself to very creative and someone else says " oh yeah? well I doubt youll ever stand next to davinci in the history books". Its a personal issue not a contest right? Still I agree with what youre saying about the mentality that supposes you can buy creativity in a box, or at least I agree that its really distasteful the way some of these people are capitolizing on the notion that it can be taught in 12 easy steps. Its sort of like a friend of mine and myself have a scam we joke about: Suck your own cock in 60 days! send 5$ and we'll tell you how! Still I imagine there might be a littel something to some of those classes for some people. Its a hefty investment though, youd have to be at your ropes end for ideas on how to enable your creativity to pay for it like that and surely most of the real work would have to be done on your own. Just like sucking your own cock. You could put yourself in a contortionists rack to get it done in 60 days, but if you wanted to do it for real, youd still have to spend 5 intense years practicing yoga. ps. its not all that wonderful, like people imagine it might be.. heh
You can teach someone all about lines, shadows, perspective, foreground, color, texture, and value. You can teach them every artistic tecnique known to man, but that doesn't mean he can produce a masterpeice. It is possible to improve on talent, but it isn't possible to teach it.
That "it's all in your genes" school of though that some of you are espousing is falling out of favor. The old nature-versus-nurture argument is obviously going to end up in a compromise. The opportunities, encouragement, help, and role models you have in your early life have a profound effect on who you grow up to be, and your ability and desire to be creative are in that stew along with everything else. And it's even possible to overcome the limitations you grow up with with effort and luck. As for drugs, I'm not sure they actually give people new abilities. They give them new attitudes, making it possible for them to do things that they always COULD do, but DIDN'T. Some drugs allow some people to simply block out all the crap so they can pay closer attention to the things that interest them. Some drugs give some people new limitations, but they're more comfortable with them (while drugged) than with the old ones. In my observation it's only a tiny fraction of the population who actually manifest greater creativity when using drugs. However, there is a more sizeable fraction who gain the ability to appreciate what those others do with that creativity. For every Jerry Garcia there are a hundred thousand happily stoned listeners who "get it."
