Where it all went wrong

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Viva_el_Che, Sep 28, 2005.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    His family that lives in America has those numbers.
     
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  3. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    I thought you were joking when you gave account numbers. Who showed you those numbers?
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I just wanted you to understand that Castro is the same as others in power, only worse, for he and his generals keep alot of the money gor themselves not much gets back to the citizens of his country. He is like any dictator, he tells everyone they are all working for the good of their country while only a few at the top actually make alot of money from the ignorance of the people that believe in what he tells them.
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, and he makes everyone in Cuba live frugally, too. That's why they come to Florida floating on modified 1930's pickups- they only wanted a steak. It all went wrong when the USSR collapsed.
     
  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Just curious. People say that about a lot of countries/dictators/etc .....but if Castro and his generals divided up all of their money and gave it to the people of Cuban, how much would each citizen receive?

    And what would happen to the nation then?

    Baron Max
     
  9. Viva_el_Che Registered Senior Member

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    Well if you guys were in Fidels situation when he came to power, what would you have done?
     
  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I'd have commandeered a big boat, then gave a speech and told the Cuban people that they could do anything that they wanted .....and I'd have sailed to America and written books and gone on speaking tours making a gazillion dollars a year .....and watched Cuba sink into riots, lawlessness, poverty and civil war. ...all while drinking Mint Juleps in Miami.

    Baron Max
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps start a true democracy? Not oppress dissidents? A free press? Not listen in on every phone call in the country?
     
  12. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    How do you "start" a democracy? Please explain a few of the basic steps.

    Baron Max
     
  13. mikasa11 Registered Senior Member

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    You should know! Aren't you a republican! Isn't the "republican" reason for going to war that we are creating a democracy in Iraq?

    Well, of course after the other dozen or so reasons were proven false.
     
  14. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Mikasa, I believe that if you read my post, you could see that the question was directed at Spidergoat, NOT you! Ye're so uncontrollably radical that no one with any fuckin' brains would ask you anything.

    Baron Max
     
  15. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It's not for him to give back anything, I just wanted to point out what a hypocrite he is. Everyone wants to make life better for all when they rise to power but when they get into power they only want more for themselves. That's human nature. Castro wanted to release his countrymen from the people he claimed were supressing his people, now look who's supressing his people.


    It is rather interesting that if he was doing so well why can't his countrymen and women have enough money to fly to many other countries as he does? Or why can't they get operations in a better hospital as Castro did overseas? Or why can't they vote for anyone else but him? Their cities are deterioating away from neglect. Only a handful of new buildings have been built. I feel very sorry for his people for they again were mislead by another dictator that only wants for his cronies and himself the big slice of the pie and leave the crumbs for the rest.
     
  16. Onefinity Registered Senior Member

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    In 1918, my political theorist-heroine Mary Parker Follett predicted the eventual demise of the Soviets because while they were socializing property, they were not socializing the will. And by this she meant that while they were creating a means for property to be "owned in common," they were not creating a means for people to produce a will in common. So the mind and spirit would be allowed to wither while the body was kept fed, and this doesn't fulfill human nature, and thus the nation built upon such a system would fail.

    The United States has a similar but more mild version of this problem of lack of means for people to produce a will in common, which I think keeps us from becoming as good a society as we could. But the U.S. has lots of release valves for mind and spirit and ideas and expression, and these allow the system to be sustained. I would hope, however, that the evolution of America is not finished.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Encourage the emergence of political parties, free the press, hold elections, etc... Write a constitution, vote on it, revise as necessary, rinse and repeat if desired.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    And just WHO does all that? ...a group of inspired individuals? ...and what if their agenda is not quite up to snuff? Who writes the constitution? Who revises it? Who's allowed to vote? Who decides all of those and other pertinent issues? How long should all this take? And what does the nation do in the meantime?

    Baron Max
     
  19. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Except the politrical parties thing.You don't need political parties for a functioning democracy- just look at Ancient Rome, Revolutionary France, or George Washington's presidency. Infact, Washington emphasized the nonexistence of political parties, for fear that it would destabilize the Republic...and look what happened- political parties formed...civil war happened, then later Republicans and Democrats hate each other, and the nation is split asunder. Political Parties only divide a country, not unite it.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The people. A group of inspired individuals, volunteers, whoever. I don't know about the details, that's their problem. If I were Fidel, then I would work to organize a group like the framers of our constitution, but it's not imposed by anyone, it comes from within, like in the US, there has to be public support and cooperation. If not, then there's civil war and chaos, like in Iraq.
     
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  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Viva el Che, I thought the revolution in Cuba was a communist/socialist revolution. Why do you think it was a democratic revolution first, and communist as a kind of afterthought?
     

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