I recentley bought the movie "Fidel and Che" and while i was watching i was farely sure i could pinpoint the exact minute Fidels "True Democratic" government goes all down hill. I dont know if anyone else would share the same view as me, but when he invited the communists in on the revolution it all just went to the dogs. But what do you think would have happened if Fidel hadn't invited the communist party to be part of the 'Revolucion' and was inviting them into the revolution where it all went wrong
He first asked for Americas help but was turned down. He actually went to an American college before returning to Cuba to find that there was to much poverty and to few with property ownership. He saw that those in charge were very corrupt and saw them as only leeches that needed to be removed somehow. He went to Russia for help because the leaders and officals in Cuba needed to be removed by force for they always "rigged" the elections. He seems to have become what he wanted to remove in many ways but just doesn't want to admit that he is as wrong about his government as those he removed. He won't ever be swayed away from his established stranglehold on his people for his military keep a very strong presence and propaganda that insures his dominance.
i understand he went to an american college and asked the yanks and russians for help, but in the end it was him and the cuban people who over threw Batistas government through guerilla warfare and revolution, but that didnt seem to me like thats what caused the decline in the government, it would have had to been after the revolution came to power, not before. What caused him to become what he wanted to destroy, what caused the downfall of the great leader Fidel Castro
He saw that the people were being treated unfairly and put a stop to that by overthrowing those that were in charge. He tried to make everyone equall but everyone wasn't equall because he as well as his military leaders were in charge of where the money went. Many times that money went into his cronies private bank accounts as well as his own. He has removed those businessmen that were taking all the money for themselves and now has don'e the same thing just without the businessmen in the middle. He has made everyone impoverished except for the elite few at the top by giving free education without anything to use that education for. As you know he has gone overseas to get medical treatments so even he doesn't trust his own doctors, what does that tell you about his educational system? He talks a good talk but has allot of Cubas money and wealth hidden away and being used by his family who lives in America. It is really hard to say for he is still in complete control with his military supporting him.
But why did he start doing that, all through the revolution he talked of the true democratic nation where everything is owned by the people and they decide what happens to it, what made him change his mind and start stealing money from the people of cuba
Do you want his Swiss bank account numbers? Go to his families bank accounts located all over the world and you'll find even more money put in their names as to not throw to much light onto Fidel Castro. His military leaders also live a very good life why not see what's in their private accounts. It seems no one wants to find the truth. He, as others, starts out as the savior of his people but as the years go by he no longer is a savior but now their dictator for he lets NO ONE VOTE FOR ANY OTHER POLTICIAN for no one is allowed to oppose him. If that's democracy then I think you's better get an education.
How about some links, CT? I am not aware of corruption on Castro's part on the scale of any of his neighbor countries. Before digressing into Fidelissimo's obvious dictator status, how about some corruption links, please. I did some searching before I first and seriously posed the question: Are there corroborated stories of corruption on Fidel's part? I want to read them.
Frankly, I think we keep the pressure on Castro only because its traditional to keep pressure on Castro. Though his regiem has more than its fair share of corruption and oppression, it really isn't worse than what you would find in any developing country. Its just a case of political inertia that we are carrying on from the Cuban Missile Crisis. And this is coming from me, the jingoistic American nationalist who happens to have a Cuban mother.
That's refreshing. I prefer to call the crisis you mention the Turkey Missile Crisis. You probably do know that it started and ended over US short-range nuclear missiles in Turkey (aimed at Moscow). But I mostly agree with you, that inertia keeps the cold war persecution of Cuba going. And maybe a little embarrassment. Now and for some time the only US policy toward Cuba has been (for God's sake) keep them in poverty at all costs.
I don't blame anyone for the whole (insert name here) Missile Crisis. It was just the game of stratagy and circles of power. It was a perfectly reasonable staring contest with very large stakes. After the Soviet Union crumbled under its own weight, its component parts stopped being enemies. They submitted to reforms, at least as a token gesture, and stopped acting as an ominous blackhole state. Most of our fears about communism were laid to rest and Russia actually ended up as a pretty good friend. One remaining problem was Castro. In a way he is one of the last remaining symbols of our old enemy and, with him, the great Cold War never ended. We can't back down until he does for the simple reason that the US can't back down from anything. In the rare case we do, it is the sort of thing that can collapse administrations. I would like to say that this will all find a way to mend itself after Castro dies but somehow I doubt it. He rules the country by personality cult with generations of Cubans knowing no ruler but him. I suspect there will be more than a little chaos as his generals try to sort thing out. Even then, I doubt the US will lighten up unless the next head hancho at least makes some token submission or reform our way. I doubt whoever it is will be able to do even that because Cuba is stuck in the same sort of trap that we are. They can't submit. Castro has built his power base on opposition of America and justabout everything that is a reflection of America. Taking a 180 degree turn now could make his support evaporate right under his feet. Those in power on both sides are doing the best they can to keep their respective countries running... under extremely shitty circumstances.
funny u say that, i had a similar conversation with a friend and he says that we are born greedy. we want more because it allows us to be better than the next person. he believes that we do this to validate ourselves, and hence we competite against each other. would you agree with this???do you thats why communism will never work??
Are you in a proper state of mind? I ask you this for the newspapers are controlled by Castro, the entire press is controlled by he and his regime so do you think they will have the balls to report anything bad about what Castro does? You say, "I am not aware of corruption on Castro's part on the scale of any of his neighbor countries", well like I said he is corrupt and you just substantiated my statement. He doesn't allow anyone to run against him and that's a very corrupt way to have and hold power. What is he afraid of?
I fully understand that Castro is a dictator. I am still not aware that he is corrupt. I was trying to learn something new, but you have provided no evidence. There is considerable international interaction with Cuba on many levels including trade, investment, tourism, politics, technology, etc. in spite of the US grudge. So there are independent eyes on the workings of the Castro regime that are not under Fidel's control. Therefore, if there is corruption on this leader's part, there should be verifiable accounts and accusations of it. I was hoping you had reasons for your assertion: "like I said he is corrupt" If so, let's hear it. " He doesn't allow anyone to run against him and that's a very corrupt way to have and hold power." I don't follow that argument. He is effectively a monarch. You haven't shown me why he is a corrupt one, meaning that he is enriching himself with dirty money. Is he shadier than Tom DeLay for example? If so, there should be stories suggesting so.
His Swiss bank account numbers are ww2c44h11kll561ho9 and 77yhe44622opj62x9j Anything else you want to know. Now go in there and see how much he has, its over 6 nillion and rising every day. I guess you don't see all the people leaving any way they can away from his corrupt, dictator owned island. Where else do you see people fleeing away from a great leader? If he was doing so wqell I'd think his people would stay there don't you? If you can't understand that the press is controled everywhere and they will only print what the dictator tells them to how can anyone provide links to any wrong doing by him?
Power corrupts! I don't doubt that Castro might have wrongfully enriched himself but I do doubt that you have ever seen any honest evidence of Castro having Swiss bank accounts. The Swiss don't tell on their drug traffickers and right wing dictators and I don't believe they would give up Castro's secrets. As you say, "the press is controled" so what controled your sources on Castro's Swiss bank accounts? Why do you choose to believe one set of lies when you could believe the opposing set of lies? Those swiss bank accounts are yours. You were given them for trashing Castro on web boards. You see how easy it is to make up your own "evidence". Anybody that wants to believe my rediculous statement about you owning the Swiss bank accounts is free to believe me.
By that logic, you can make any assertion whatever about Castro, and yet you expect people should take notice in spite of a vacuum of evidence. We could by such reasoning equally tisk (or invade again) in response to whatever you wish to accuse him of- WMDs, mass-graves, etc. But without some corroboration, you are not contributing anything worth serious consideration. I'm open to learning about corruption on Fidel's part, but I haven't found a source accusing him of the same, excepting Cuban-American Anti-Castro militants. It seems to me from what I have learned so far that Fidel lives a distinctly frugal life in comparison with other dictators. Reuters 1998
Power corrupts. We Americans are so lucky that George Washington was an freak. Leaders who take over the revolutions they led and become bad dictators by far outnumber the revolutionary leaders who willingly give up their power. The USA in the 1950s and 1960s would attempt to crush any third world nation that was aspiring towards being as liberal a democracy as the USA was. People who believed that all third world countries must be either with us or against us and who also half believed that Social Security and labor unions in the USA should be ended, controlled US Foreign Policy. Mossadegh, Arbenz, and Sukarno were not communists but they were overthrown by the USA for being too liberal and too independent. The USA was going to come after Castro even if he did not go communist. Castro was going to need allies and the communists were the only allies available.
