Hi I was in an orthodox marriage as i am orthodox myself , and the preacher said to the wife "you must obey your husband" he did not say that to the husband ?!! Does the church gives advantage to the man ? Does the catholic and Protestant marriages have the same rite ?
Laws in churches have no relation to the laws of the coutries in my country and hopefully in yours, therefore it is up to the man and the woman to agree whether one of them is in charge.
Does the church gives advantage to the man ? The church provides NO advantages to anyone as they want the masses to remain ignorant, for which you've provided an excellent example.
Some people write their own vows instead of using the churches. I just had a justice of the peace perform the ceremony for my wedding, allot easier .
************* M*W: Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all patriarchal faiths, consider(ed) the wife to be subserviant to the husband and nothing more than one of his possessions. The children that came out of that union were also considered possessions. Back in the day when the patriarchs wrote the Old and New Testaments and later the Qur'an, even concubines and their offspring held the status of possessions according to ancient law. So, to answer your question, yes, the "church gives advantage to the man." The church" still considers the "man" to be the head of the wife and family. Nowadays, however, that old "obey" line is usually discarded (as it should be) for more socially acceptable words like "trust," "share," or "cherish." The reality of it is that the words used in the ceremony don't really matter. They're for show only. The farther away we get from traditional marriage values, the less women and children are deemed possessions.
the woman is the superior and should always remain the superior, us men only think we are. and so does the church.
Well I can understand why that would be the case, if one reads the Bible!!!. First I would like you to read Genesis 3. There you will see that it was all Eve's fault, about eating from the tree, and that it was Eve who was decieved, and it is Eve who gave the fruit to Adam. Specifically looking at Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." So the husband will rule over the women. This is further clearfied by the self-claimed apostle Paul A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I don't permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner" (I Timothy 2:11-14). Now I would like to quote another verse. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35) This following verses really astounds me. Please read. "If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said I did not find your daughter to be a virgin. But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of the town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) Now why should the girl prove her virginity? What is this "guilty unless proven innocent" rule? And what is more surprising is that nothing happens to the man, even if it is a false charge. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10 It does seem that the man really doesn't face any degration of status, while the women does. It is possible that equality of man and women is not what we assume oftenly. Often we think that equality is basically if the man gets to inherit, then so should the women, and so on. But I think there is a flaw in this type in our thinking of "equality". For example what we suppose equal is If I got a test score of 50 in my computation part of math, and someone got 40 then we are not equal. But overall if my score is 100 and so is the other person's then we are equal. So to me equality is the overall equality, not in each thing. Here I will try to explain. Category of Math, My Score, Person 2 Score, Equal? Yes or No Computation, 40, 50, NoProblem Solving 50 40 No--------------------------------------------------------------------------Overall Score, 90, 90, Yes! So I believe in the overall equality, not individual things. But for that to occur there should be a switch of status. For example in the Computation I was less in status, but in the Problem Solving part I was greater. If I was less in both then there would be no overall equality. But I do not see a case in the Bible where a man is less than the women, so it is hard for me to believe that Man and Women are equal according to the Bible. Obviously this is just my point of view, not everybody. Peace be unto you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I don't think either Catholic or Protestant marriages have anything like that. But from what you've said, the priest likely means for the wife to obey her husband unless if the husband is morally wrong or has morally wrong motives. For instance, if the husband gets angry and then directs his wife to do something, the wife is not to blindly follow him for his motive could be anger.
Catholic Weddings have it too, but most churches allow you to remove it these days if you request so. And yes, it means she is to be subervient to him.
Yes, whenever there's a sale inside a store I've seen women run faster than that to get to the objects that were on sale! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
pi-sudoko, agreed, but try to tell her, you've beat her, and you've lost. as cosmic, says put the man and woman on the starting line and say ready, steady, sale. and see who wins.
