The Most Offensive Film... EVER!!!!

Clockwork Orange made you sick?! :bugeye:

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1. Precisely what was racist about Episode 1?

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2. I've never seen PotC either, but I've read stuff about it on wikipedia.

3. I've never seen clockwork orange, but I read the wikipedia article on it. Seems pretty interesting to me, I dunno what' so offensive about it. Sure, it's dystopic, and sure it's ridden with graphic violence and sex, but offensive? Nah.

 

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1. Precisely what was racist about Episode 1?
Apparently some people who are way to sensitive felt that the Gungans "behaved too much like stereotyped Black Americans", and that those guys with the trade federation (Neimoidians I think..they were green, reminded me of frogs) behaved and resembled Orientals, and that Watto was a "cliche Greek/Turk/Jewish greaseball".

I've read this more then once in different places, but the current place I'm referencing is this:
http://www.ce-review.org/99/11/pinkava11.html

 

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Come on.
The gungans speak like negro slaves, and are in a "symbiotic" relationship with their white master race. They need their masters because they are too stupid to look after themselves.
The Neimoidians (hope you're right, CFS) speak with a japanese accent, look like walking fish, and epitomise the WWII sterotypical Jap racism and dishonesty.

It's got rape and murder and mind-control, some of the worst examples ever. It's a good movie, but if you're not numb, it hurts.
And to normal people, graphic violence and sex would be the definition of offensive.

 

"Riki-Oh: The Tale of Ricky." This movie is straight up awesome. It includes a huge guy named Tarzan clapping someone on the side of the head so that their head explodes like a melon. One guy in the movie disembowels himself so that he can strangle Ricky with his intestines. And Ricky himself gets the tendons in his arms severed by a knife and then TIES THEM BACK TOGETHER WITH HIS BARE HANDS. Must be seen to be believed.

 

Yeah, Ichi the Killer is like some kind of weird porn.

 

I just watched the fire extuingisher bit from irreversible
its golden. the way he lays it into that rapists head.

THOOMP.

 

huh. I just thought of the different aliens as....just different aliens.
*shrugs shoulders*

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No amount of grit or gore in movies I've seen so far offends me. Really. I watched Night of the Living Dead on my 5th birthday in theatres and sat watched the whole thing. I guess the whole notion of its "not real" leaves me descensitized to it. Now pics from rotten or pornographic fantasy rape do offend me.

Movies that are offensive to me are like The Shape of Things, where an art student dates a nerd solely for her thesis, the creation of a human sculpture where love and sex changes a person and how she can manipulate him in to being her view of 'a better man', at the expense of using him and turning him against his friends, indead himself, only to ditch him when this thesis is complete. The movie is boring at first but the ending makes it all worthwhile (in a way) in its utter offensiveness at the very concept.

Oddly enough, I find some childrens movies offensive at some points because of what the media all too often teaches are children to value (like the hero myth my country holds so dear).

 

What's wrong with the hero myth?
The jounrey of the hero is a universal theme in all mythologies of the world.
It's an invard journey all people have to take if they want to grow out of their infantile consciousness.

Of course the problem nowadays is that media creates hero stories with no understanding of their meaning or purpose. Thus shit appears.

 

I suggest you see "Men Behind the Sun" then.
It's a disturbing film at the least.

 

Generally, the only movies I get offended by are the ones that are supposed to be inoffensive. Like "Gone With the Wind". That movie was repugnant in its depictions -- and I'm a racist!



Almost anything by Lucio Fulci is offensively bad - and hilarious!

 

From IMDB comments:

"What a heartless, indecent, and morally reprehensible sentiment. Just because someone is weak willed doesn't mean he deserves to be a puppet for Nietzsche’s and Pavlov's soulless love-child."

Now I have to see this movie. She sounds awesome.

 

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To respond to the hero myth thing I'll have to summerize the years of ongoing conversations with my buddhist father about it. Yes, it is a common myth. But it really is not given much reference at all in the far east, whereas it is practically the only myth in the west we really, really like. Every, and I mean every, popular movie or novel in the west drives off of the hero myth. Think back to english class. There is a protagonist and an antagonist. Basic, right? That has hero myth written all over it. Frankly, I find the hero myth to be tired. I want to escape to different myths, where there is no person against odds overcoming them. How about a little change, like more tragety where the odds completely overcome the person, and the movie/novel ends? A progression, say, to a completely different myth, like the myth of Narcissus, where the character becomes blinded by individualism and eventually reaches a stagnant point in his life no one can get him to see. Sound familar? Happens all the time, more often here than a real hero graces us, so why no airplay on the self-centered pricks? Seriously, there needs to be novel novels and entertaining entertainment, and I think that means the hero myth needs to be taken down a notch.

I'll check that movie out. Disturbing can be a good thing.

Xev- Oh, to me it sums up the countless incidences where women try to change their man, really sick thinking if you ask me. I love the 'evil' twist to it. But like I said, its a slow start but believe me it will all come together and make a statement you will enjoy.

 

Without heroes it is the mankind that will sink in stagnation, not the myth.
And I don't mean the hollywood american version of it.
Buddhas themselves were heroes, so were bodishavas (sp) and the many characters in Indian vedas.
One has to go invards and be the hero overwhelming the legions of things that seem problems at first, problems of his culture, time, people. Only when he or she has gotten the prize, then (s)he can return something valuable back to humanity.

I think you have an overly simplistic understanding of what a mythic hero and his journey is.
One of the books I'd recommend to have a deeper understanding in this subject is the book by Joseph Campbell "Hero with a thousand faces"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/202-0616858-6444611

 

I believe you misunderstood me. Ok, I'm just talking about in novels and in movies, i.e., in entertainment, the hero myth is tired. In real life there are few and far between. I do not see either as a good thing. People like Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. I have immense respect for, real heroes. What I was talking about was the focus on the hero myth in the entertainment industry is sad, other myths that are a part of us deserve some attention, too.

 

Has anyone watched Fudoh? Its a Japanese movie made by this crazy Japanese director who makes assassins out of five year olds, has a woman use her vaginal muscles to shoot darts, has bucketfuls of blood come out of those who get beheaded (happens constantly). There are many other equally ludicrous/savage/enjoyable moments in this family-oriented extravaganza.

Ok, so its not very offensive (well it is in some way, I guess, though not mine), but Hollywood couldn't make a movie like this one. No way.

 

Holy shit where can I get that?

 

Man Bites Dog
(C'est Arrive Pres de Chez Vous)
Belgium - 1992
Directed by Remy Belvaux

http://www.1worldfilms.com/man_bites_dog.htm

Dark film, one I am happy not to go and see again. However I think it marked a mile stone in the student film market.

 

woHOOO good choice. i hafe a litle tale regarding it....i saw it when at art school in 19993/4.........the fashion at thay tme was rto laugh at it---remember pulp fiction etc. so i went wit two fellow art students. the a lot younger than me

so we begin watching it, and i am shocked, really. and i hear them and members of student audience guffawing.......it was all so fukin phony. i felt they werer pissed of withme case i wasn't following tem in their err'pleasure'

also another vile film i saw was Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer......and Th THeife, The Cook, The Son and Her Lover. sumthin like that.......there was a scene where two gangsters are forceing cardboard down their victimes throat with a spoon.ie., stuffing him whilst alive...all phlemgn and choking,,,it was fukin HORRIBLE