The Napoleonic Wars were partially the US's fault...

Yes, you heard right.
After Napoleon made peace with Britain and the other powers in 1802, he needed to refill France's coffers. He sold the Louisiana Purchase to us, the United States, for $15 million in 1803. This was used to finance his coronation ceremony, which he was crowned Emperor of the French, and the further fund his wars in Europe, which eventually led to the War of 1812 between the US and UK (Karmic Justice, eh?).

What say you? Do I have a point?

 

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No, you don't.

But I'm quite sure there are quite a few readers here who will wisely nod their heads and convince themselves you do, if it gives them one more log for their anti-american fires.

Alright. Explain how buying a chunk of land makes someone responsible for what the seller does with the money.

This isn't history. This is reaching.
Anyone with a genuine love of history does not twist events to fill their own agendas - such is fit only for tabloid newspapers.

 

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Thats like saying Islamic terrorism is our fault. We gave weapons to Iraq and the CIA trained Bin Laden, so its "obvious" we wanted them to turn on us, just like we obviously wanted Napoleon to declare war on all of Europe.

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We didn't know what he was going to do with the money, but we still gave him the money.

 

So what!! The US (at least in 1803) wasn't Napoleon's (or anyone elses) nanny.

 

Well you can't just sell stuff to a known terrorist, in fact you are being a terrorist yourself for doing that

 

OMFG all this falty logic pisses me off! If you want to go through all the goddamn syllogism You might as well call yourself a terorist or at least terrorist supporter. One Do you drive A car, if so then you buy gas if this is true you raise the demand for gas therefore raise the demand for countries such as the US to import Oil and Petroleum from Iraq and other oil exporting countries. Because of your need for gas, you pushed the american govt. to go to war and the only way to fight an american army is through terror there for just through buying oil you support the cause of terrorism. Dont agree with me? THEN STOP WITH THE STUPID SYLLOGISM! the reason you actually buy gas is because you expect a certain level of comfort which gas supplies you with, not because you want to fuel terrorism.

Hapsburg's idea is a pathetic attempt at syllogism as well. We didnt say here, take 15 (or 18 cant remember) million dollars and fight, no The us did it out of it own interest, because New Orleans and the Mississippi were key trading points for them. Whenever govts. do things it is usually out of their own greed or nationalism.

 

Hmmm...so why is the U.S disarming the old chap of korea based on his resume eh? Anyway your gas analogy is far off dearest boy, are you living in nintendo or something? Our reputation preceeds us is all

 

What the fuck is syllogism?

Anyway, I may have been stretching it when I said "it's our fault", but it is a little bit of our fault, because if Napoleon did not have his money, he could not have made war on the Great Powers.
Not that I think that the Napoleonic Wars are a bad thing, of course. They kick ass.

 

Where did you get the idea that Napoleon wouldn't have continued his war against England if he didn't have the money? Look at the US and its current wars. They are being paid for by increasing the national debt.

 

And that makes zero in sense.

 

On the other hand, if America hadn't bought the Louisaiana Purchase off France, wouldn't they then have gone to war with them to get the territory later anyway?

 

If you look at your history, all Jefferson wanted to buy was New Orleans. It was Napoleon's idea to sell the whole thing.

 

France and England were getting ready to mix it up in the western half of North America with or without our consent. We were the goddamn third world at the time. All the Louisiana Purchase did as far as "Boney" is concerned was make the two then-world powers have to mix it up in their own front yards. Strategically, the Purchase put a frontier buffer between their hissy-fits and our major cities. It also gave a place for all the disillusioned Revolution Vets to go and try to carve out new lives for themselves. (You think the Vietnam vets got screwed? You should read about the Revolution vets.) Later, it gave Jackson and Van Buren someplace to stick the indians. (I selfishly salute this crime against humanity because my ancestors met on the Trail of Tears...).

To imply that we caused a megalomaniacal emperor to try to conquer the world by buying some real estate from him is like saying the Jews caused the Holocaust by having Jesus nailed up.

 

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What? I it was the Romans who killed the traitor to Rome.

 

They may have actually done the tacking up, but they wouldn't have if the Sanhedron sect hadn't raised such a fuss. (Now that I think about it, if Jesus hadn't been so gosh-darned charismatic, the Sanhedron priests never would have felt threatened by his popularity. So maybe the Holocaust was ultimately Jesus's fault?)

 

Please, Pilate gave the Jews every chance to not execute Jesus (remember Barabas?) and then "washed his hands" of the matter.

I quoted the Stones in case you weren't familiar with the Bible.

 

The gospels were written about 40 or more years after the crucifixion. At that time there was a very strong antagonism between the Jewish Christians and The Pharasees (by this time the other Jewish groups had largely disappeared as a result of the Roman war around 70 AD). Consequently the gospel writers included much anti-Pharasee material in their texts.

 

Thanks, 'cuz I'm not ever reading that horrible book of lies.

 

If you've never read it, and apparently are never going to, how do you know they're lies? Granted there are plenty of inconsistencies, and no shortage of threads on this site to point them out, but read it with a critical mind. Some parts are okay, some sound like twisted history, some are proof that these people smoked some serious shit, and some are just sickening. I promise that if you become some kind of evangelism spewing zombie that I'll put you out of your misery.

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