Lessons From Katrina Exposes Liberal Fallacies.

You could just as well be describing the military-industrial complex. I resent my money being spent on questionable ventures and other ridiculous weaponry and research, and the defense industry feels entitled to spend my money like a drunken sailor.

 

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Bush Urges Victims To Gnaw On Bootstraps For Sustenance

WASHINGTON, DC—In an emergency White House address Sunday, President Bush urged all people dying from several days without food and water in New Orleans to "tap into the American entrepreneurial spirit" and gnaw on their own bootstraps for sustenance. "Government handouts are not the answer," Bush said. "I believe in smaller government, which is why I have drastically cut welfare and levee upkeep. I encourage you poor folks to fill yourself up on your own bootstraps. Buckle down, and tear at them like a starving animal." Responding to reports that many Katrina survivors have lost everything in the disaster, Bush said, "Only when you work hard and chew desperately on your own footwear can you live the American dream."

 

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I had no idea New Orleans was such a bastian of conservatism?

 

Okay so what have we got here? Brutus, you’re trying to tell us that Katrina proves the fallacy of “liberal thinking” because apparently the victims of the storm were so liberal that when a storm came and completely flooded (which could have been prevented with more liberal application of federal funds to actually shore up the levees years ago) their entire city and destroyed everything they owned, they started dyeing?

Would it also have been liberal fallacy to have thought of trying in some way to evacuate those who could not get out of the city on their own, or had no where to go if they did?

Is it fallacious liberal thinking that is making people donate supplies money and manpower to help the survivors? Would the correct action be to cut those degenerates loose and let them pull themselves up by their boot straps?

The only thing I see here is the failure of Bush’s administration and his crony appointees.

 

Oh, I think PEOPLE should donate whatever their little hearts' desire. However, as to FORCING people to donate, that's wrong ....and it's also liberals who think that way!

I also think that it's not the government's place to donate money to help the victims of the hurricane. And you'll note that the government's money is taxpayer's money, then that, in effect, is FORCING us all to donate. And that ain't nice for a government to do to people!! And, yes, that attitude IS a liberal attitude .....and it sucks giant donkey dick!

Baron Max

 

Bush is the one offering the 50 billion in aid. And it has little to do with liberals or poor black people. It is more about keeping the Port of New Orleans open and the oil, grain, ore, coal, coffee and containers moving.

Rove must have come up with the big buck solution as damage control.

 

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Bring Our Troops Home, NOW!!
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<div align="justify">Our troops are in a quagmire. The insurgence is gaining strength, and the people are resisting. The infrastructure is destroyed and the population is going without basic human needs. We can't get the local leader's to cooperate with each other, and it's dividing our country. We have gone in without UN approval, and France, Germany, and Russia are complaining. Much needed funds are being diverted to pay for this boondoggle. Haven’t we learned we cannot be the policemen to the world? What is our exit strategy?

It’s all about oil and making George Bush’s oil pals rich. This illegal occupation must end and our troops returned home where they belong!

Bring back Cindy Sheehan. We need her voice to carry our message. "Get our troops out of New Orleans now!" No blood for oil! No blood for chicken gumbo! No blood for Cajun style shrimp! No blood for jazz bands! No blood for Marti Gras!</div

 

And what are the odds that most of that 50 billion dollars is going to make the rich richer and screw the poor AGAIN?

 

The odds are real good. Most of the 50B will go to huge contracting groups like Carlyle or Halliburton. I started the thread on WPA / CCC projects to discuss the alternative.

 

Baron Max:

If, when I'm a little older, I have as much time as you seem to have to waste time bashing my head against brick walls, then I think I may be as happy as you appear to be.

 

As I understand it, the port facilities and the oil refineries are almost all back up and running (about 80% or so). They interviewed one refinery "expert" last week and he said the facility would be back up in less than a week. So what's the 50 billion gonna' do? We gonna' rebuild the ghetto?

Baron Max

 

Well, start saving your money now or you won't be able to do it. When ye're rich, fat, dumb and happy, spending time bashing your head is rather fun and interesting. But remember, that's only if you've saved your money and didn't depend on someone else to take care of you.

Baron Max

 

Look, I can understand if people are afraid of a strong central government, it has the potential to become Big Brother, but until states get sovereignty this is the system we are stuck with. We live with the checks and balances that keep it fair. If everyone knew that there was no depending on the feds for relief, would people still live in the Gulf Coast and New Orleans? I think they would, and many more would have died. It's your decision. Do we disband the function of the federal government to protect us so each state is a separate and therefore disempowered entity? Or are we a United States?

 

That's where we fucked up ....big time!! It's not the place of the federal government to "protect us" ...EXCEPT from foreign invaders (or possibly domestic militias or revolutionaries, etc.). That's where we went wrong. And now we expect the feds to do everything for us ...and mostly without us lifting one damned finger to help!

Baron Max

 

I suppose this means you want us to assume that you see no difference between saving peoples lives in a natural disaster, and shooting people dead in an illegal war, and hence you can be safely ignored as just another internet kook.

 

Bush is not offering 50 billion in aid. The president has never had the authority to spend the governments money. Only the US House of Representatives can spend money. They are the ones who approved the 51 billion dollars.

I don't know how this affects your intended point, but its factually inaccurate to say that the president authorized 51billion in aid.

 

Notice that providing for the common defense is only one function of the federal government. There are many others listed in the constitution, outlined in section 8. But I guess you only like clause 15. Seems kind of unpatriotic to me.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

 

Haha, oh really, is that so? Please do back this up, I'm sure it'll be a riot. Where did you get this idea? Just from your personal belief that the government shouldn't intervene to keep the people of New Orleans from dieing, yet somehow the war in Iraq can be justified on the same grounds that you've already ruled inadequate for allowing federal intervention in NO? Because that kind of sounds like a crock of shit to me.

 

It looks like you're beginning to achieve understanding. Thank you for saying that, Mystech.

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