Why Blacks?

Oh, I agree that it's "unanswerable", but we can make some pretty fair generalizations, can't we? And doing so, I can imagine very damned few American blacks who'd be better off if their ancestors had been left in Africa. For one thing, if nothing else, very, very damned few places in Africa has even remotely the same "freedoms" that blacks in America enjoy ...even in the worst ghetto locations!

Now this is not to say that modern American blacks should bow down and thank the slave traders for stealing them, but...? ...maybe they could pay a little hidden, secretive homage for their good fortunes?

Baron Max

 

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heh.....I was going to respond negatively to the ignorant and bigoted remarks in here....but upon reflection (and re-reading) there really isnt much point....is there?

 

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Well, if you do the same with all of the posts at sciforums, you'll not likely be posting much! What's the matter, you don't like to argue insanely useless topics? ...LOL!

But just to give you something to think about: Why shouldn't someone hate blacks if they want to? Why should they have to deal with them if they don't want to? ......and please don't just SAY that it's not nice or somesuch crap, give good solid reasons and logical arguments. Just saying that it's wrong or that god doesn't like it or that kind of crap, because that approach is no differnt to the racist saying the exact opposite!

Baron Max

 

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What would the world look like, Baron Max... If everyone in it was a racist?

Would there be any law? Could you get anything in government done? Could you advance as a society, or would you be stuck sitting in your house holding a shotgun to shoot the next nigger, spic, chink, honky, towel head, jew, redneck, that crossed your threshold? Would you be in fear, and would you be able to let your children out of the house or off your property?

Tolerance is important to society because it allows things to get done, with reasonable civility and with as little chaos as possible. People can hate blacks if they want to, but they are missing out on getting to know and admire some really great people. People can hate whites too, it's our freedom, but likewise you are missing out on meeting and getting to know some great people. It's not that you have to love them, it's not that anyone is forcing anyone elses hand... but imagine a world segregated where every race hated each other... and all the wars it would cause, and all the death, and destruction that would happen when one race out-bred the other and needed more land. It's just important to be civil, to avoid conflict and a misunderstanding that could ultimately lead to the use of nuclear weapons, and the destruction of our entire planet. It sounds dramatic, but is plenty of history that makes a point that genocide rarely works and ends up backfiring in almost every attempt. Those that are repressed will almost always reassemble and take back what is theirs. Currently, this is happening in the Gaza strip in Palestine. The jews hate the arabs, and were handed land that wasn't theirs by people who didn't have the authority to do so, and now the Palestinians fought back hard enough to force them back. Now the jews are screaming and crying and calling their own people Nazi's for wanting peace between the two races so that their lives can go on.

Peace and civil rights go hand in hand. Without civil rights, there will always be a conflict and that will always cause violence and death to many people. Racism encourages that. If you are a warmonger, I can see your want for things to be segregated and for racism to be accepted and encouraged. If you understand that we have the imminent ability to wipe out the entire earth with a few button pushes, then you may want to rethink your stance.

 

There are lots of colors to the skin of human beings.

But when I look at them I am interested in the color of their personalities. Do they have wise and good personalities or do they have sick and twisted personalities or just the average, joe blow personality.

That is what determines the worth of an individual to me and not the color of their skin.

Baron, I assume you have white skin but your personality is black and twisted. You have my pity but not my respect.

 

This is clearly a correct opservation, the proof being that never has there been anykind of notable movement by Africans to leave or escape America to return to the homeland of Africa.

If America was such a "racist" country, people of color should and would be doing all they could to flee. This knowing that African's have beautiful country of Africa to return to.

In fact the exact opposite has happened, people of color all over the world are risking their lives just for a chance to live amongst these "white" racist.

Are people of color just not "smart" enuff to see how bad things are for them here?

 

www.whyblackforslavery.com

 

Good Freakin' God Man....I have come to the conclusion that you are indeed, fucking with the minds of everyone here. There is no possible way someone could function in this society with the level of intellect you project ....no possible way.

 

Take long walk through the ghettos of Detroit or Los Angeles or New York City and see how well you theories work out in the real fuckin' world!

Liberals are those who have not been mugged or beaten or had family members killed! Take a walk on the wild side, Jagger, then come back and tell us how it went ....if you've able.

(Now ...go ahead and try to make excuses for all the violence and drugs and rapes and abortions and such in the ghettos ....I just know that you'll blame it all on the white man!!)

Baron Max

 

Divided and isolationist ..in much the same way as it's found with virtually every other animal in nature. The only reasons humans have "integrated" is through FORCE! Every single instance of it! Can't anyone see history clearly enough to understand that? And yet we tout freedom as though its actually freedom ...it isn't. We humans have to be FORCED into doing almost everything ...from how to raise our children to how fast to drive our cars to wearing seatbelts to how we should feel about and deal with other humans. Force, always force.

Of course you could advance ...check out history. In fact, most of the human advancements in early history came from segregated societies.

As to sitting with a shotgun, there wouldn't be any niggers or spics or chinks or honkies or towel-heads or jews or rednecks or ....anyone else that your society didn't want around. There'd be police and border guards to prevent the illegal incursion of anyone that wasn't wanted. The citizens could put away their guns without fear ...because no one would riot or yell 'discrimination!' or cry to the police about racist attitudes.

And this same isolation would be true of all of the societies in the area ....you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone.

No! Tolerance is FORCED upon members of society ..it's NOT important, it's something that's forced upon people who are supposed to be free to choose the life that they want and the friends with which they deal.

Tolerance is also a bullshit phrase/term that's intended to force us all to cowtow to the psycho-babble about racial (or whatever) dislike and discrimination. Doesn't it seem odd to you for people to be FORCED to tolerant someone/something that they don't like???

Waht ye're doing, thinking about, is an illogical and blatantly oppressive attempt to FORCE people to feel and act around people that they don't like. If they were ONLY with people that they liked, "tolerance" would not be an issue. And certainly not one that had to be FORCED upon the citizens.

I don't deny that. But at the same time, all ye're advocating is that a society should FORCE people to get to know people that they've decided that they don't like! ...for whatever reason. This doesn't have to be skin color. It could be religion. It could be sexual preferences. It could be length of dick!!! (...hmm, would that be "dick-ism"??) It could be size of tits! (tit-ism?)

By the way ...is it your place to tell other people what they're "missing" out on? You might like "rap" music, but you shouldn't try to force others to like it. And the others shouldn't be force to listen to it if they don't want to ...even they ARE "missing" out on the wonderful lyrics about blacks killing the honky cops and taking cocaine and fucking the women!

And that's not happening now??? Of course it is! ...all over the world, those exact things are happening all the time. Have you isolated yourself so completely that you can't see what's happening in the world?

That also happens in the animal world. And if a group overbreeds their land capacity, they starve to death. It should be the same with the segregated human populations, too.

Who said anything about oppression? I'm talking about segregation so that each group can have and do as they please within their own confines, their own societies. If one group oppresses another group, then that's a whole new issue ...and NOT the issue of which we're discussing.

Which has little or nothing to do with the issue at hand. Peace and civil rights would be an issue within each isolated society ...white people need civil rights, too, ya' know. The blacks and chinks and spics, etc would have their own little world and they could have their own brand of civil rights if they wanted it ...if not, fuck 'em!

What does being a warmonger have to do with it? I think human history is pretty plain on that issue. Most wars and oppression has been between "races" of humans ...and even between humans of different religions/cultures. I.e., the foolish attempts to integrate those populations have almost always resulted in wars and conflicts.

The Chinese have been segregated for a gazillion years and there's been very little internal conflict. And certainly not of a racial or cultural nature. Why do you suppose that is?? And why don't you question that?

And please don't forget ...I'm not advocating forcing people to live in segrationist societies. If you and others want to live in integrated groups, fine ..please do so. But don't force others who don't wnat integration to be/live in integrated societies. It just causes problems. If you want those problems, fine, but don't force it upon others who don't want it.

And please don't condemn or denigrate those who don't think like you do. Even if you think they're wrong, just remember, they think YOU are wrong. Hell, for that matter, "I'm right, ye're wrong" is already a pretty divisive principle, ain't it? Or does tolerance only count in racial discussions and not with dicussions of ideas?

Baron Max

 

hahah, this is hilarious.

you are obviously less intellegent than you think if you flame peoples personalities on the basis of a couple of posts.

 

heses a site that i found which relates to this issue

http://www.black-white.org/frontpage.ftp

 

If it was "forced" as you say, then tolerance would be mandated, which it is not. You still have the freedom to move to any place you'd like and surround yourself with all white people, in an all white town and then pass laws in that area that would go against all of this. Hell, you can build your own village in a different place, an island maybe where you could become anything you wanted. No one is forcing you to stay here and mix with other races. No one is forcing anything. But if you choose (and it is a choice) to live in America, you cannot discriminate against people according to race. Doing so is against the law. But hating them is not against the law, and being intolerant of them is also not against the law. You still have the freedom to do whatever you'd like, as long as it doesn't infringe on their rights as an American. If you don't like it, move. You have the freedom to do that as well. The majority of society is no longer segregated because the majority of society knows that civil rights are important to human beings.

This is correct. Because the vast majority of people are too stupid to take care of themselves or make good decisions for themselves. Look at all the shitty things that happen to people at the hands of stupid fucks who don't care about you or me. It's not racial though, so I am not sure what your point there was. You want true "freedom" then it comes at a sacrifice. It always has, throughout history.

Not true. Societies barely advance at all without sharing of information and technologies either stolen or shared from other races and regions.

No one is denying you the right to do this. There is plenty of inhabitable land left on the earth that you can set up your own colony and do just that. No one is stopping you, nor could they stop you.

Again, you are placing your personal belief system ahead of the reality of what is actually happening. Tolerance is not forced, but it is encouraged. Anti-discrimination, at least in America is forced. There is a difference.

I don't feel forced to tolerate anyone. I don't even have to tolerate you. I can put you on ignore here, and I can put you on ignore in real life through walking away from you, not listening or if you get violent, a restraining order. It's as simple as that. No one is forcing me to accept and love other people regardless of what they look like, what ideas they have or what life choices they make. I don't have to read left-wing bleeding heart liberal media, anymore than I have to read right-wing fanatic media either. I can choose to believe what I want to believe. I only have to treat people as equals, but I don't have to like them.

Again, this is your personal belief system, and certainly not the majority consensus. Since you are the one always saying how important the "majority voice" is on the gay rights issue, you should be the first one to understand that the majority of Americans support civil rights and anti-discrimination laws. It's majority vote in America, love it, change it or leave it.

I'm not advocating tolerance. I am simply saying that tolerance and compassion for all people is the path of least resistance when it comes to society. I by no means have ever said that people should be forced to tolerate each other. I don't believe that they should. I don't tolerate child-molesters, sex-offenders, murderers, criminals in general, or skin-heads. I personally don't want them near me, don't want to be forced to like them, don't want to be forced to live next to them. But I am not. I can move, pass laws, ignore them, get restraining orders, and anything of the like... because I am not forced to tolerate them. I cannot infringe on their rights however, which doesn't include me liking them.

It was merely an example, I am in no place to tell anyone what to like or dislike... I never said that at all. Your shock tactics are as transparent as they are terminally stupid.

And that's fine for them. If people want to segregate, then I wouldn't oppose that at all, it's personal choice based on personal belief system. However, it won't be happening within the U.S. Border because the laws of the majority are against it. But still no one is forcing you to live here, and no one is keeping you from trying to pass laws so that it can happen in America. There is still a town in Texas that has a sign at each of the entrances to the place that say, "If you're a nigger, don't let the sun set on your here.". And I don't even oppose that.

I have never insinuated that it's the right way to live, only stated the reasons why it seems that it's the easier and better choice. It boils down to one person convictions and ones personal right to protect those convictions. But when you choose to live among society, you choose to live by majority or ruling class laws. It's the nature of the human race. You can be ruling class if you choose, you just have to find a place to start a society that supports it.

Everyone has civil rights. I don't see where I said that whites were excluded from that. Please don't confuse affirmative action with civil rights.

Well no. Foolish attempts at providing a specific line in the sand that each side had to keep from crossing resulted in wars and conflicts. When societies were integrated, they flourished. America is a case in point, as is Canada and many other places worldwide. When two races mix without borders, they do just fine. It's when people draw lines in the dirt that the problem occurs.

And they have over-bred resulting in laws to be passed to restrict families to no more than one child. Abortions rates are nearly three times the rate of any other country and many women kill their children within hours of their birth when they are given the gender they did not want.They have an alarming crime rate, that is mostly unreported because they want outside countries to continue to trade with them. They have been sited for serious human rights violations, and have huge problems with Tuberculosis and Polio. AIDS is spreading quickly, especially among the young there and is up 30% from 2000.

I'm not advocating or forcing anyone to live any other way than how they choose to live. I'm not even advocating that you tolerate it, only explaining that the laws are not in your favour on this particular issue, and if you would like to live as you please you are free to do so at any point.

I did not condemn or denigrate anyone. Please do not accuse me of things I did not do/say in my post. I am not the rest of sciforums, so please don't accuse me of things I did not do. I never said that you were wrong, or that anyone else is wrong for not agreeing with what I said. I was just explaining the ideas about it, not attacking your personal belief system. You asked for valid reasons why people should try to tolerate each other and I gave them. Save the drama for your local community productions please.

 

I do condemn those who hold intolerant views. I have seen the enemy and they is us said pogo. If you do not oppose intolerance of any group then what moral right do you have when someone decides to discriminate against a group that you belong to? Education almost always increases tolerance because you are able to see more similarities between yourself and any given group. All of society is linked and the more links and specialized society becomes the more important each link becomes to every other. It is like a very complicated machine the more parts the less tolerance for error. If you discriminate against a group like women you have reduced your supply of potential geniuses by half. With all the troubles in this world we need all available resources that our society is able to muster to resolve them. Discrimination is ignorant and non-productive. Societies with a high degree of tolerance are able to spend less time fighting and more time producing. They are also more stable in the long term until discrimination and class conflict returns.

 

You mean like you just did?

You are likely correct, I am far less capable than I think I am.....but that does not change the fact I think he is messing with everyone.

 

Barren Max, J.(E)B and now MattBellamfuck, are nothing but racist pigs who have apparently been raised by mummas and puppas with direct connections to the KKK. Until they change their old-fashioned, out-of-date, and moronic attitudes, they are nothing more than white-trash. Again, idiots, come to my house and say this shit. You won't because you are cowards. If what I say offends you, you have immediate recourse. Come to my house. ID yourself. I bet I can get you to throw the first punch. Cowards.

 

Where do you live?

 

You guys have got top be kidding...I mean....this is so freakin imature as to be....oh nevermind....this is silly

 

surely JB cant have anything to do with the kkk,isnt he jewish?

 

Yep, so's my parent's my wife and two children.