Down with sock puppets

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by invert_nexus, Mar 17, 2005.

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Ban Sock Puppets?

Poll closed Apr 16, 2005.
  1. Yes. Ban them.

    14 vote(s)
    53.8%
  2. No. Don't ban them.

    6 vote(s)
    23.1%
  3. I don't know. I abstain.

    6 vote(s)
    23.1%
  1. Gustav Banned Banned

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    invert

    I've no good arguments against them other than distaste.

    you do however, have some good arguments for the continued existence of the puppeteers
    the distaste can be managed by...growing up

    I dislike people joining discussions for amusement rather than a spirit of discovery. I feel that sock puppets demonstrate that amusement-seeking attitude that I find distasteful.

    some examples of a spirit of discovery......

    "Could you imagine Chong posting on the forums?
    Cheech is a bitch and I'd just have to kick his ass. Grrr. (Fucking narc.)

    Anyway.
    Did you know that there were two versions of the Next Movie?.........."

    "Reminds me of a rhyme from a drinking game... "Moses supposes his toeses are roses but Moses supposes erroneously, because nobody's toeses are posies of roses as Moses supposes his toeses to be...")"


    hahaha (amusement....do not hate, do not hate,do n.....,)

    I still have a distaste for sock puppets and any user exposed as a sock puppet is sure to fall into my disinterest zone.

    liar

    Anyway. I have multiple aspects to my personality as well. But I am content to display them all in underneath a single user name. In this way my username becomes effectively... me. I don't split myself and limit myself. Making of myself a two-dimensional 'character'.

    you are confused. multi dimensional > good. one dimensional > bad

    rather than ask..who are you?
    i'd ask...who are you NOW?

    clumsy but more in line with the spirit of discovery......

    so!
    poor lil invert with his petty bigotry and social ineptitude
    lets weep
    ja?
     
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  3. riku_124 High School Smoker Registered Senior Member

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    whats a sock puppett?
     
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  5. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Funny how this thread keeps being brought back.

    Gustav,

    Yes. But. One must consider the thread in question. This is not really a thread on deep issues. And it's also a thread that is far past it's prime. The poll is long closed and the matter is closed.

    Anyway, there is a huge difference between one who occasionally posts in the spirit of amusement as opposed to being purely devoted to the spirit of discovery and someone who devotes their entire 'character' to playing games. I have no issues with people that occasionally wish to joke around and post frivolously and/or jovially. It's with those who devote their enitre existence to such things that I take issue with.

    Yeah.
    Your reading skills are poor. However, I'll forgive you as I can see a touch of ambiguity in my statement.
    What I said was that people who split themselves into a variety of personas, each exploring a particular facet of that person, becomes one-dimensional. And I was actually being nice by granting them an extra dimension. But, even two dimensional creatures are a far cry from a real person.

    You probably liked Jackie Paper though, didn't you?

    Simple. I'll reiterate what I said earlier in this thread: "I am what I am and that's all what I am."

    Was your question a sly way of asking me if I'm playing with puppets? I'm not.

    Bigotry? Por que? Because I don't like foolish games?
    Social ineptitude? Hardly an issue.

    And. As to growing up. I have already conceded, quite early on in fact, that distaste is not so great a reason for my proposal.

    So.
    Boo.
    Who?


    Edit:
    Ah. I know what happened. You meant to call me a hypocrite but called me a bigot instead.
    Funny.
     
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  7. Satyr Banned Banned

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    Down, down with sock-puppets.

    I prefer the real kind.

    This trend towards multiple aliases is truly getting out of hand.
    It blemishes this Forum’s fame as a place for introspection and quiet contemplation amongst well-read, fascinating and intelligent peers.

    Next thing we’ll have to change the “Intelligent Community” to “Sock-Puppet Neighborhood”.

    The only way to rectify this situation is to start expelling the dead weight.

    Let’s start by banning Satyr.
    He sucks.
     
  8. Jinoda Registered Senior Member

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    From what I remember, there have been people that have been banned simply because they said they should be or asked to be. I doubt this would happen to you, but I would be careful about starting any threads on that topic

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  9. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    You can PM a moderator, or start a thread in the members section with the request to be banned.
    This is the surest way to get banned.

    You can also start a thread with the request to ban someone else, which will result in a 30-day ban for you.
     
  10. Gustav Banned Banned

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    invert

    Yes. But. One must consider the thread in question. This is not really a thread on deep issues.

    your point? i think you lie tho. your comfort zone seems to be important to you
    ie: everything has to be...just so!

    Anyway, there is a huge difference between one who occasionally posts in the spirit of amusement as opposed to being purely devoted to the spirit of discovery and someone who devotes their entire 'character' to playing games. I have no issues with people that occasionally wish to joke around and post frivolously and/or jovially. It's with those who devote their enitre existence to such things that I take issue with.

    more confusion. your issue seems to be with certain types of posters rather than with sock puppets. you also seem to be unaware that you are signed on here with the following info....fake name, a nonsensical description and a join date

    i hold that invert_nexus is a sock puppet created by you to camouflage and conceal your real identity
    so ahh.. wanna post your contact info? what is your real name?

    Yeah.
    Your reading skills are poor. However, I'll forgive you as I can see a touch of ambiguity in my statement.


    sweet. i guess you needed that eh?

    What I said was that people who split themselves into a variety of personas, each exploring a particular facet of that person, becomes one-dimensional. And I was actually being nice by granting them an extra dimension. But, even two dimensional creatures are a far cry from a real person.

    vert creating bogus scenarios to justify crap

    You probably liked Jackie Paper though, didn't you?

    do explain
    (dear god, the ditty sucked. hopefully you will amuse)

    Simple. I'll reiterate what I said earlier in this thread: "I am what I am and that's all what I am."

    i do not buy it. the reiteration might, if viewed from a logical standpoint, be fairly accurate. however.....i simply do not see that. think evolution and change. besides, it sounds totally moronic. it says absolutely nothing

    *Corinthians 15:10, But by the grace of God I am what I am:......

    *I am what I am and I'm a horrible liar. I can't do it. I'm just very candid. (Pamela Anderson)


    Was your question a sly way of asking me if I'm playing with puppets? I'm not.

    no it was not. it would take a creative and fanciful interpretation of the topic post to conclude that you yourself dabble in puppetry

    Bigotry? Por que? Because I don't like foolish games?

    the issue is puppetry and not your beef with fools. and yes, they are not synonymous

    Social ineptitude? Hardly an issue.

    perhaps but i prefer to think otherwise

    And. As to growing up. I have already conceded, quite early on in fact, that distaste is not so great a reason for my proposal.

    and yet you went thru the motions. i find that rather alarming. however, this is a bbs.... no real pain or repercussions.

    So.
    Boo.
    Who?


    gendy, is that you?

    Edit:
    Ah. I know what happened. You meant to call me a hypocrite but called me a bigot instead.
    Funny.


    the level of confidence you placed in your analysis is misplaced.
    hypocritical would be if you maintain a sock puppet
    bigoted would be if you rail against em

    what is it you do here??

    ps: a neuron just fired. it said vert is a religious nut. upon closer examination, it seems too harsh but........
     
  11. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Gustav,

    My point is simplicity itself. This thread is a thread that doesn't fit into the realm of threads in which one should maintain a straight and to the point attitude. For a couple of reasons:
    1.) This is a thread on procedure rather than 'deep issues'. However, it certainly has the potential to bring in deeper subjects, but such was not my original intent.
    2.) The purpose of this thread is long out of date. The poll was open for a month. And that month is long since gone. Therefore, let the chickens fly. (Because it's always funny when you throw a chicken in.)

    (And even if it were. I don't really have a problem, like I've said, with people that occasionally post jovially and frivolously. It's those who always post this way that bother me.)

    Oh? How so?

    Sort of. With the type of person that likes to create an endless portfolio of sock puppets to stir up fun and/or amusement.
    (You of course, have a different reason for what you do. And I don't blame you...)

    Fake name? No. A username. It's quite real.
    Nonsensical description? What's so nonsensical about it?
    Join date? You're saying that I somehow managed to fake my join date? Ok, senor. Whatever you say.

    You're right. I'm really Spookz. I hope GoofyFish doesn't read this...

    I am Spartacus!

    Uh. No. I was replying to Plexus who admitted to being a sock puppet and using these sock puppets to display different facets of its character. I said that these facets were two-dimension beings rather than a fully-fleshed person because they are only aspects of a person rather than the real thing.

    Nothing too technical. Merely a visual analogy. Jackie Paper has only two dimensions...
    (And the ditty sucked because it had only one... Well, two if you count the fact that it was really about getting stoned but masqueraded as a children's tune...)

    It says everything. I am what I am. Not by the grace of god. And not because I'm a horrible liar (although I am). But just because.
    What's so difficult about it. Just because I am what I am doesn't meant that I wasn't what I was or that I won't be what I will be. It doesn't imply stasis.
    (And, by the way, this statement will probably get me in some slight trouble in a conversation I'm having elsewhere. It comes close to the concept of Zen which I deny as a legitimate philosophy. It all comes down to baggage though. Zen has too much bullshit added to it. It's not clean. And this is my problem with it. Anyway. That's another conversation.)

    By definition, they are. At least by my definition. Sock puppetry is a foolish game. This doesn't mean that those who play such games are idiots. Just fools.

    C´est la vie.

    Sniff sniff.
    Are you a blood hound?
    What's under the sheet?

    Hypocritical: "some examples of a spirit of discovery......"
    Really. Do I have to do everything for you?

    Anyway. Bigot:
    One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.​
    So. I guess my 'group' would be the group of non-puppetmasters? And I am intolerant to those who differ from my group by having puppets?
    I'd call this a weak analogy. But if you want to go with it, go with it.

    What a strange neuron you have there. It must get you into a miniscule amount of trouble. Miniscule because a single brain cell doesn't carry one very far, does it?
     
  12. plexus Registered Senior Member

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    Invert_nexus does have a puppet: his anima. Please excuse him, like those with the multiple personality disorder, he will not acknowledge that he has one; unless he undergoes treatment, of course.
     
  13. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Plexus,

    Tricky little persona, you are.
    I still wonder who it is that animates you.

    As to the anima. Well, there are various labels for the inner beasties, aren't there? Anima is one. Animus is another. Interpretive mechanism. Id. Ego. Superego. Unconscious. Subconscious. The list goes on and on.

    I don't deny these aspects exist. But, they exist within me. And they are all expressed through a single personality. It is this that makes a personality complete rather than paper.

    Like you, Little Plexus Paper.
     
  14. Jeremirroer probably smarter than you... Registered Senior Member

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    I like sock puppets. what's wrong with them anyway?

    who do they harm?

    the answer. No-one.
     
  15. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    They can harm a debate by a seeming majority decision.
    You can get a buttload of sock puppets in a thread agreeing to some inanity and overwhelm an argument.
    You can plan out a series of statements, retorts, and etc that lead a thread down a desired path to manipulate people to hold one sentiment or another.
     
  16. plexus Registered Senior Member

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    So you should have no problem accepting that I am your anima. Let us shake hands!
     
  17. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    Oh ho!
    Should have known you'd pull that one.
    Stupid me.

    Well. If you're claiming to be my anima, then that limits the scope of who you are really. Assuming that you're telling at least part of the truth.

    Here. I'll give you something else to shake. Hold your hand lower.
     
  18. Gustav Banned Banned

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    and yet you went thru the motions. you allowed the poll to continue.
    lets imagine another scenario

    you hate gays. you start a ban poll. concede that your prejudices against gays is not sufficent grounds for a ban. yet the poll continues and is made law.

    gays are history
    all because of a megalomaniacal mutt who could not figure out the consequences of his frivolous ban proposals based on false premises

    why did you not call for an end to the poll and nullify results?
     
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

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    what a crackpot you are. go peddle this crap in the pseudo science forums.

    It is what its writers have always claimed it to be: a song about the innocence of childhood lost.
     
  20. Satyr Banned Banned

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    The strength of sock-puppets rests in the effect they have on the human psyche of creating a popular sentiment, even if it is artificial.
    Morons - of which this forum has an abundance of – are easily swayed by numbers or by multiple attacks, giving the impression of isolation and exclusion to the assaulted.

    In my case they leave me indifferent.
    Mainly because I’ve created an army of aliases to support my feeble psyche and to create the illusion of popularity.

    I leave it up to you to figure out which of me are parts of me and which are not.
    All I can do is promise to admit to the facts.

    I am not only a sock-puppet, but I am a sock-puppet’s sock-puppet.
     
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    ugabuga is J.B
     
  22. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

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    Sock puppets utterly destroy the meaning of a ban. On other forums, evading a ban by using a sockpuppet is sensible known as "Ban evasion", and the offenders are permabanned, even if they were evading a week ban.

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  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Time to crack down on ban evasion using sock puppets, I think.
     

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