respect hockeywings, My statements on your quotes is not for everyone. It's directed to someone who have religion, but haven't recognize his/her God. I also respect on other's religion which have different concept about their God. By folowing/studying their holy book, first, they'll become better people, next (i hope) they recognize their God. Knowing God is long proccess. Just knowing concept about God, sometimes is not enough to believe Him. Someone will really believe in God after he/she can feel His existance after long experience. Those statements not directed to someone who don't have religion, neither to someone has found God.
Premature conclusion.... I think not, a real atheist can't say that a god exists, or does not exist, for one what the hell is god? In order to prove the existence of an entity one must know the identification of such entity. Since no identification exists of this entity called "god" no one can prove or disprove the claims of thiests. Just as well thiests do not have a clue either of what this entity is, so therefore is just as trying to explain it's existence without identity the same to disprove it. What ever you may call it, Allah, God, Jesus it all falls under one identification, Mysticism. Mythology. A nice read:http://www.altway.freeuk.com/Views/View-97.htm Have fun!!.
Re: Premature conclusion.... Godless, I ask this to teg in other thread and I ask you now. Can I say we all are accident? I mean we are here right? But if there is no Creator then we are all must be evolved. It is just hard for me to digest thou. I mean when an archeologist finds a pot from ruins he looked at it and can tell what kind of civilization made it or how old it is or what kind of people existed back in that time.....And then when we looked at universe we can say, that it all just happened?. It just doesn't make sense. I mean every thing must got created. If we throw bunch of woods in a jungle, It won't produce Table and Chairs by it self. Or same if we throw bunch of iron in a big box it won't produces Lexus by it self. I mean every thing we use have to be created by some one then why not universe? What is so difficult to understand here? It is all confusing when I heard two different kind of arguments. Any one maybe able to give some good example I hope. Give me one thing that you use in your house which evolved, Like if your bed evolved from your sofa? Or your cycle evolved from your car??
No it doesn't! It says "Let him that glorieth glory in this, that he <i>understandeth and knoweth</i> Me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindess, judgement, and righteousness, in the earth: For in these things I delight, saith the Lord." In other words... If you want to know something worth knowing: learn who God is! Whatever you may call the shape of the earth (ball, round, sphere) it all falss under one identification: Mysticism, Mythology. We all know the Earth is flat.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ~Caleb
This post is directed at markx I hope you will give me the liberty to answer this as it was posed specifically to godless First off, why do you suppose those are the only two choices? Even if those are the only two choices your choice seems to make the least sence of the two, considering all we see is things that are able to adapt to new circumstances, much like a child moving to a new town and making new friends, "evolving" in a sence of the word. you go on to say Eh, its an ok arguement, but i would suggest, if you use this in the future, that you are not in fact using the same technique with your argument(god in this case, just "happening") But i would like to point out to you this next line. According to this, god must have been created, even according to your logic, god must have been created which makes him finite in some way which disproves a lot of the common depictions of god, including the most popular. I did, I grew in knowledge, i grew in experience, i grew in height even.
Originally posted by hockeywings You do have a point but, still you me or any other may never be able to make a solid statement that there is no GOD or There is One. By the way what other possiblities are you talking about regarding creation? "I did, I grew in knowledge, i grew in experience, i grew in height even." Exaclty you reamin you not turned out to be a monkey? Right?. "First off, why do you suppose those are the only two choices? Even if those are the only two choices your choice seems to make the least sence of the two, considering all we see is things that are able to adapt to new circumstances, much like a child moving to a new town and making new friends, "evolving" in a sence of the word" I think there is a difference between evolving and adoption. What do you think?. If you allow me I can give you very interesting point of regarding all of this from Muslim point of view. Or it may not even fall in Muslims point of view but more like it will be argument among creationism and evolutionism. It will get lengthy thou.
Exactly, so no information for or against a subject gives justification for beleiving in said object? In a way i did evolve, I changed my ways to adapt to a new enviroment, in my case the adult/pre adult enviroment. As i see it evolution is nothing more than adapting, maybe we are getting confused with our seperate interpretations of the word evolve. I am open to see any arguement, so please do furnish me with the information.
ISMU, i appologize for not replying to your post first. But here goes: Now, the impression i get here is that you are saying that your previous post was made towards people that have found a religion but are not completely convinced it is the right one, is this right? If this is correct your first post makes no sence when you start off saying Please clarrify who you are directing this to. I assume you beleive that their religion is wrong and yours is right, if so why would you promote their ignorance by respecting that? By studying their holy book which i presume, once again, that you beleive isnt completely acurate, is supposed to make them better people? How is this so, believing a lie and teaching others lies is supposed to be good for them? I have a bad feeling of thinking of teachers in classrooms teaching me the wrong things and them being better people for that. I do not know of any friends that when i first found out about that i denied they existed, why should such be the case for god, is it because there is no proof you can show for him ACTUALLY existing? in that same line i was curious as to the evidence that you alledgedly have
i forgot to reply to one of your questions markx There are lots of possibilities that you see being thrown around these forums, big bang, multiple big bang, etc etc, but what i was getting at, and i appologizing for not being clearer is that we still dont know everything there is to know so why should we stop here and limit our choices to the things we do know when we can learn more and get the right answer down the road.
But first.... Well before I start let me give you little description of Concept of Allah( God ) in Islam. CONCEPT OF GOD IN ISLAM It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic. The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone." Some non Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and cruel God who demands to be obeyed fully. He is not loving and kind. Nothing can be farther from truth than this allegation. It is enough to know that, with the exception of one, each of the 114 chapters of the Quran begins with the verse: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate." In one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) we are told that "God is more loving and kinder than a mother to her dear child." But God is also Just. Hence evildoers and sinners must have their share of punishment and the virtuous, His bounties and favors. Actually God's attribute of Mercy has full manifestation in His attribute of Justice. People suffering throughout their lives for His sake and people oppressing and exploiting other people all their lives should not receive similar treatment from their Lord. Expecting similar treatment for them will amount to negating the very belief in the accountability of man in the Hereafter and thereby negating all the incentives for a moral and virtuous life in this world. The following Quranic verses are very clear and straightforward in this respect: "Verily, for the Righteous are gardens of Delight, in the Presence of their Lord. Shall We then treat the people of Faith like the people of Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you?" (68:34-36) Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or depicting Him as favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis of wealth, power or race. He created the human beings as equals. They may distinguish themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety only. The concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view. The unique usage of Allah as a personal name of God is a reflection of Islam's emphasis on the purity of the belief in God which is the essence of the message of all God's messengers. Because of this, Islam considers associating any deity or personality with God as a deadly sin which God will never forgive, despite the fact He may forgive all other sins. The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created because if he is of the same nature as they are, he will be temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing outside him causes him to continue to exist, which means that he must be Self-Sufficient. And if He does not depend on anything for the continuance of His own existence, then this existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and everlasting: 'He is the First and the Last.' He is Self-Sufficient or Self-Subsistent or, to use a Quranic term, Al-Qayyum. The Creator does not create only in the sense of bringing things into being, He also preserves them and takes them out of existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to them. "God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth." (39:62, 63) "No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its provision rests on God. He knows its lodging place and its repository." (11:6) God's Attributes If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His attributes must also be eternal and everlasting. He should not lose any of His attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then His attributes are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such absolute attributes? Can there be for example, two absolutely powerful Creators? A moment's thought shows that this is not feasible. The Quran summarizes this argument in the following verses: "God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god with Him: For then each god would have taken of that which he created and some of them would have risen up over others." (23:91) And Why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they (heaven and earth) would surely go to ruin." (21:22) The Oneness of God The Quran reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods. To the worshippers of man-made objects, it asks: "Do you worship what you have carved yourself?" (37:95) "Or have you taken unto you others beside Him to be your protectors, even such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" (13:16) To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story of Abraham: "When night outspread over him he say a star and said, 'This is my Lord.' But when it set he said, 'I love not the setters.' When he saw the moon rising, he said, 'This is my Lord.' But when it set he said, 'If my Lord does not guide me I shall surely be of the people gone astray.' When he say the sun rising, he said, 'This is my Lord; this is greater.' But when it set he said, 'O my people, surely I quit that which you associate, I have turned my face to Him Who originated the heavens and the earth; a man of pure faith, I am not of the idolaters.'" (6:76-79) The Believer's Attitude In order to be a Muslim, i.e., to surrender oneself to God, it is necessary to believe in the oneness of God, in the sense of His being the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher, etc. But this belief - later on called "Tawhid Ar-Rububiyyah is not enough." Many of the idolaters knew and believed that only the Supreme God could do all this. but that was not enough to make them Muslims. To tawhid ar-rububiyyah one must add tawhid al'uluhiyyah, i.e., one acknowledges the fact that is God alone Who deserves to be worshipped, and thus abstains from worshipping any other thing or being. Having achieved this knowledge of the one true God, man should constantly have faith in Him, and should allow nothing to induce him to deny truth. When faith enters a person's heart, it causes certain mental states which result in certain actions. Taken together these mental states and actions are the proof for the true faith. The Prophet said, "Faith is that which resides firmly in the heart and which is proved by deeds." Foremost among those mental states is the feeling of gratitude towards God, which could be said to be the essence of 'ibada' (worship). The feeling of gratitude is so important that a non-believer is called 'kafir,' which means 'one who denies a truth' and also 'one who is ungrateful.' A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties He bestowed upon him, but being aware of the fact that his good deeds, whether mental or physical, are far from being commensurate with Divine favors, he is always anxious lest God should punish him, here or in the Hereafter. He, therefore, fears Him, surrenders himself to Him and serves Him with great humility. One cannot be in such a mental state without being almost all the time mindful of God. Remembering God is thus the life force of faith, without which it fades and withers away. The Quran tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by repeating the attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these attributes mentioned together in the following verses of the Quran: "He is God; there is no god but He, He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God, there is no God but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (59:22-24) "There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His leave? He knows what lies before them and what is after them, and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His throne comprises the heavens and earth; the preserving of them oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-Glorious." (2:255) "People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him - (He is) above having a son." (4:171) Above is to give you an Idea of one of the two most practice religions of the world. That's just to build some basis here. Then I will post more. Peace
one line tht has stayed in my memory from Quaran-> "Blessed are those who have walked dusty roads warring with christians." I'm no christian (neutral) and thus have no emotions on this, but this shows tht Allah is not so loving as some say.
I like this quote. There is alot of truth in it. Directed straight towards Christians. But I still would not allow myself to become a part of any organized religion, just for the record.
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I agree but no on said he is all loving all the time. Any reference on that? I mean what verse and what chapter if you remember? Just curious. Thanks in advance.
sorry, I didn't read it in Quaran (although I have one at home), it was in a fictional/historical novel and author mentioned these lines when talking about vesir (sp) Almansur. The book is about vikings who luted Spain in ~ 980 a.d. It is called "Red Dragon"
Avatar, As far as I know there were no major wars against Muslims and Christians during the time of Quran or Prophet Mohammad. There were wars with jews and idols worshipers some christians might have joined them but no major war.
true, but not completely. You see, many historics tend to agree on this-> During 600s a.d. christianity was fast expanding and Muhamed was afraid tht christianity would take over their lands. he hated christianity as a threat to his people and admired it for its good organisation and power to govern. so he made up Islam - as a anti-force to christianity, to stop it from expanding to his lands and to unite the people of the East. so there could indeed be these lines in Quaran and the author (don't recall his name) was quite authentic on major historical events, etc. in the book. But better ask some muslin forum for these lines, I' m sure there are those smwhere in there.
I would like to start from simple facts of nature. There are some lengthy topics as well like, Relativity in Quran and The Concept of Matter in the Qur’an and some more. It is very interesting thou. I am looking for website where they might have posted all that so I can direct you there or copy info from there. It is lots of typing for me. I did exlude some anmials with lenghty detials. All this is to make sense for a creator. Still there might be people who will believe or some who won't but thats not the point. Point is the fact remains same and proofs are in creation itself. I admit that I have changed in 2 years or so but I used to think like every one else here or majority. THE FACT OF CREATION The signs of an extraordinary wisdom are discernible in whatever living being one observes. There is a great technology and design in the body of an insect or a tiny fish in the depths of the sea never attained by human beings. Some living beings which even do not have a brain perfectly perform so complicated tasks as not to be accomplished even by human beings. This great wisdom, design and plan that prevails over entire nature no doubt proves to provide solid evidence for the existence of a supreme Creator dominating over whole nature, who is Allah. Allah has furnished all living beings with extraordinary features and showed men the evident signs of His existence and might. . Honey Bees and the Architectural Wonders of Honeycombs Bees produce more honey than they actually need and store it in honeycombs. The hexagonal structure of the honeycomb is well-known to everyone. Have you ever wondered why bees construct hexagonal honeycombs rather than octagonal, or pentagonal? Mathematicians looking for answer to this question reached an interesting conclusion: "A hexagon is the most appropriate geometric form for the maximum use of a given area." A hexagonal cell requires the minimum amount of wax for construction while it stores the maximum amount of honey. So the bee uses the most appropriate form possible. The method used in the construction of the honeycomb is also very amazing: bees start the construction of the hive from two-three different places and weave the honeycomb simultaneously in two-three strings. Though they start from different places, the bees, great in number, construct identical hexagons and then weave the honeycomb by combining these together and meeting in the middle. The junction points of the hexagons are assembled so deftly that there is no sign of their being subsequently combined. In the face of this extraordinary performance, we, for sure, have to admit the existence of a superior will that ordains these creatures. Evolutionists want to explain away this achievement with the concept of "instinct" and try to present it as a simple attribute of the bee. However, if there is an instinct at work, if this rules over all bees and provides that all bees work in harmony though uninformed of one another, then it means that there is an exalted Wisdom that rules over all these tiny creatures. To put it more explicitly, Allah, the creator of these tiny creatures, "inspires" them with what they have to do. This fact was declared in the Qur’an fourteen centuries ago: And your Sustainer has inspired the honey bee: "Prepare for yourself dwellings in mountains and in trees, and in what (men) build; and then eat of all manner of fruit, and find with skill the spacious paths of your Sustainer". There issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought. (Surat an-Nahl, 68-69) Amazing Architects: Termites No one can help being taken by surprise upon seeing a termite nest erected on the ground by termites. This is because the termite nests are architectural wonders that rise up as high as 5-6 meters. Within this nest are sophisticated systems to meet all the needs of termites that can never appear in sunlight because of their body structure. In the nest, there are ventilation systems, canals, larva rooms, corridors, special fungus production yards, safety exits, rooms for hot and cold weather; in brief, everything. What is more astonishing is that the termites which construct these wondrous nests are blind. Despite this fact, we see, when we compare the size of a termite and its nest, that termites successfully overcome an architectural project by far 300 times bigger than themselves. Termites have yet another amazing characteristic: if we divide a termite nest into two in the first stages of its construction, and then reunite it after a certain while, we will see that all passage-ways, canals and roads intersect with each other. Termites carry on with their task as if they were never separated from each other and ordained from a single place. The Woodpecker Everyone knows that woodpeckers build their nests by pecking tree trunks. The point many people do not consider is how woodpeckers undergo no brain haemorrhage when they so strongly tattoo with their head. What the woodpecker does is in a way similar to a human driving a nail in the wall with his head. If a human ventured to do something like that, he would probably undergo a brain shock followed by a brain haemorrhage. A woodpecker, however, can peck a hard tree trunk 38-43 times between 2.10 and 2.69 seconds and nothing happens to it. Nothing happens because the head structure of woodpeckers are created as fit for this job. The woodpecker’s skull has a "suspension" system that reduces and absorbs the force of the strokes. There are special softening tissues between the bones in its skull. The Sonar System of Bats Bats fly in pitch dark without trouble and they have a very interesting navigation system to do this. It is what we call "sonar" system, a system whereby the shapes of the surrounding objects are determined according to the echo of the sound waves. A young person can barely detect a sound with a frequency of 20,000 vibrations per second. A bat furnished with a specially designed "sonar system", however, makes use of sounds having a frequency of between 50,000 and 200,000 vibrations per second. It sends these sounds in all directions 20 or 30 times each second. The echo of the sound is so powerful that the bat not only understands the existence of objects in its path, but also detects the location of its swift-flying prey. Whales Mammals regularly need to breathe and for this reason water is not a very convenient environment for them. In a whale, which is a sea mammal, however, this problem is handled with a breathing system far more efficient than that of many land-dwelling animals. Whales breathe out one at a time discharging 90% of the air they use. Thus, they need to breathe only at very long intervals. At the same time, they have a highly concentrated substance called "myoglobin" that helps them store oxygen in their muscles. With the help of these systems, gin-back whale, for instance, can dive as deep as 500 meters and swim for 40 minutes without breathing at all. The nostrils of the whale, on the other hand, are placed on its back unlike land-dwelling mammals so that it can easily breathe. The Design in The Gnat We always think of the gnat as a flying animal. In fact, the gnat spends its developmental stages under water and gets out from under water through an exceptional "design" being provided with all the organs it needs. The gnat starts to fly with special sensing systems at its disposal to detect the place of its prey. With these systems, it resembles a war plane loaded with detectors of heat, gas, dampness and odour. It even has an ability to "see in conformity with the temperature" that helps it find its prey even in pitch dark. The "blood-sucking" technique of the gnat comes with an incredibly complex system. With its six-bladed cutting system, it cuts the skin like a saw. While the cutting process goes on, a secretion secreted on the wound benumbs the tissues and the person does not even realise that his blood is being sucked. This secretion, at the same time, prevents the clotting of the blood and secures the continuance of the sucking process. With even one of these elements missing, the gnat will not be able to feed on blood and carry on its generation. With its exceptional design, even this tiny creature is an evident sign of Creation on its own. In the Qur’an, the gnat is accentuated as an example displaying the existence of Allah to the men of understanding: "Surely Allah disdains not to set forth any parable - (that of) a (female) gnat or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors," (Surat al-Baqara, 26 Hunting Birds with Keen Eyesight Hunting birds have keen eyes that enable them to make perfect distance adjustments while they attack their prey. In addition their large eyes contain more vision cells, which means better sight. There are more than one million vision cells in the eye of a hunting bird. Eagles that fly at thousands of meters high have such sharp eyes that they can scan the earth perfectly at that distance. Just as war planes detect their targets from thousands of meters away, so do eagles spot their prey, perceiving the slightest colour shift or the slightest movement on the earth. The eagle’s eye has an angle of vision of three hundred degrees and it can magnify a given image around six to eight times. Eagles can scan an area of 30,000 hectares while flying 4,500 meters above it. They can easily distinguish a rabbit hidden among grasses from an altitude of 1,500 meters. It is evident that this extraordinary eye structure of the eagle is specially designed for this creature. The Thread of the Spider The spider named Dinopis has a great skill for hunting. Rather than weaving a static web and waiting for its prey, it weaves a small yet highly unusual web that it throws on its prey. Afterwards, it tightly wraps up its prey with this web. The entrapped insect can do nothing to extricate itself. The web is so perfectly constructed that the insect gets even more entangled as it gets more alarmed. In order to store its food, the spider wraps the prey with extra strands, almost as if it were packaging it. How does this spider make a web so excellent in its mechanical design and chemical structure? It is impossible for the spider to have acquired such a skill by coincidence as is claimed by evolutionists. The spider is devoid of faculties such as learning and memorising and does not have even a brain to perform these things. Obviously, this skill is bestowed on the spider by its creator, Allah, Who is Exalted in Power. Very important miracles are hidden in the thread of the spiders. This thread, with a diameter of less than one thousandth of a millimetre, is 5 times stronger than a steel wire having the same thickness. This thread has yet another characteristic of being extremely light. A length of this thread long enough to encircle the world would weigh only 320 grams. Steel, a substance specially produced in industrial works, is one of the strongest materials manufactured by mankind. However, the spider can produce in its body a far firmer thread than steel. While man produces steel, he makes use of his centuries-old knowledge and technology; which knowledge or technology, then, does the spider use while producing its thread? As we see, all technological and technical means at the disposal mankind lag behind those of a spider. Special Freezing System A frozen frog embodies an unusual biological structure. It shows no signs of life. Its heartbeat, breathing and blood circulation have come completely to a halt. When the ice melts, however, the same frog returns to life as if it is has woken up from sleep. Normally, a living being in the state of freezing confronts many fatal risks. The frog, however, does not face any of them. It has the main feature of producing plenty of glucose while it is in that state. Just like a diabetic, the blood sugar level of the frog reaches very high levels. It can sometimes go as high as 550 milimol/liter. (This figure is normally between 1-5 mmol/litre for frogs and 4-5 mmol/litre for human body). This extreme glucose concentration may cause serious problems in normal times. In a frozen frog, however, this extreme glucose keeps water from leaving cells and prevents shrinkage. The cell membrane of the frog is highly permeable to glucose so that glucose finds easy access to cells. The high level of glucose in the body reduces the freezing temperature causing only a very small amount of the animal’s inner body liquid to turn to ice in the cold. Research has showed that glucose can feed frozen cells as well. During this period, besides being the natural fuel of the body, glucose also stops many metabolic reactions like urea synthesis and thus prevents different food sources of the cell from being exhausted. How does such a high amount of glucose in the frog’s body come about all of a sudden? The answer is quite interesting: this living being is equipped with a very special system in charge of this task. As soon as ice appears on the skin, a message travels to the liver making the liver convert some of its stored glycogen into glucose. The nature of this message travelling to the liver is still unknown. Five minutes after the message is received, the sugar level in the blood steadily starts to increase. Unquestionably the animal’s being equipped with a system that entirely changes its metabolism to meet all of its needs just when it is required can only be possible through the flawless plan of the All-Mighty Creator. No coincidence can generate such a perfect and complex system. An Interesting Camouflage Technique: Parrot Fish Parrot fish are one of the most interesting creatures of the undersea with their colourful appearance. The most important characteristic of these fish, sometimes being as long as 1 meter, is their covering themselves with a jelly-like substance at nights to protect themselves against external effects. This substance camouflages the fish and protects it against its enemies which are active at night and pose a threat for it. Cuttlefish Under the skin of the cuttlefish is arrayed a dense layer of elastic pigment sacs called chromatophores. They come mainly in yellow, red, black and brown. At a signal, the cells expand and flood the skin with the appropriate shade. That is how the cuttlefish takes on the colour of the rock it stands on and makes a perfect camouflage. This system operates so effectively that the cuttlefish can also create a complex zebra-like striping. The Design In Bird Feathers At first glance, bird feathers seem to have a very simple structure. When we study them closer, however, we come across the very complex structure of feathers that are light yet extremely strong and waterproof. Birds should be as light as possible in order to fly easily. The feathers are made up of keratin proteins keeping with this need. On both sides of the stem of a feather are veins and on each vein are around 400 tiny barbs. On these 400 barbs are a total of tinier 800 barbs, two on each. Of the 800 tinier barbs which are crowded on a small bird feather, those located towards the front part have another 20 barbs on each of them. These barbs fasten two feathers to one another just like two pieces of cloth tacked up on each other. In a single feather are approximately 300 million tiny barbs. The total number of barbs in all the feathers of a bird is around 700 billion. There is a very significant reason for the bird feather being firmly interlocked with each other with barbs and clasps. The feathers should hold tightly on the bird so as not to fall out in any movement whatsoever. With the mechanism made up of barbs and clasps, the feathers hold so tightly on the bird that neither strong wind, nor rain, nor snow cause them to fall out. Furthermore, the feathers in the abdomen of the bird are not the same as the feathers in its wings and tail. Tail feathers are made up of relatively big feathers to function as rudder and brakes; wing feathers are designed so as to expand the area surface during the bird’s wing beating and thus increase the lifting force. A Living Being Able to Walk On Water: Basilisk Few animals are able to walk on the surface of water. One such rarity is basilisk, which lives in Central America and is seen below. On the sides of the toes of basilisk’s hind feet are flaps that enable them to splash water. These are rolled up when the animal walks on land. If the animal faces danger, it starts to run very fast on the surface of a river or a lake. Then the flaps on its hind feet are opened and thus more surface area is provided for it to run on water. This unique design of basilisk is one of the evident signs of conscious Creation. Photosynthesis Plants unquestionably play a major role in making the universe a habitable place. They clean the air for us, keep the temperature of the planet at a constant level, and balance the proportions of gases in the atmosphere. The oxygen in the air we breathe is produced by plants. An important part of our food is also provided by plants. The nutritional value of plants comes from the special design in their cells to which they also owe their other features. The plant cell, unlike human and animal cells, can make direct use of solar energy. It converts the solar energy into chemical energy and stores it in nutrients in very special ways. This process is called "photosynthesis". In fact, this process is carried out not by the cell but by chloroplasts, organelles that give plants their green colour. These tiny green organelles only observable by microscope are the only laboratories on earth that are capable of storing solar energy in organic matter. The amount of matter produced by plants on the earth is around 200 billion tons a year. This production is vital to all living things on the earth. The production made by plants is realised through a very complicated chemical process. Thousands of "chlorophyll" pigments found in the chloroplast react to light in an incredibly short time, something like one thousandth of a second. This is why many activities taking place in the chlorophyll have still not been observed. Converting solar energy into electrical or chemical energy is a very recent technological breakthrough. In order to do this, high-tech instruments are used. A plant cell so small as to be invisible to the naked human eye has been performing this task for millions of years. " This perfect system displays Creation once more for all to see. The very complex system of photosynthesis is a consciously-designed mechanism created by Allah. A matchless factory is squeezed in a minuscule unit area in the leaves. This flawless design is only one of the signs revealing that all living things are created by Allah, the Sustainer of all worlds".
Sadly, most of my knowledge of Islamic philosophy comes from fiction, mainly one Quiet, Please episode. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! From that though, I gather Islam is deterministic. The universe is pre-determined, we're all actors in the script... and God is the playwright. If this is the correct interpretation... well, although I'm undecided on determinism I certainly dispute the authorship of the script. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! To simply say God is eternal and so has no cause is to avoid the question. The question would be how anything could be truly eternal. There's no logical way to explain an eternal creature of any sort. It is at least wise to say that god would have to be a very different sort of thing from us... but to be eternal he would basically either have to be defined as the universe or would have to be outside of time. If God is outside time, then he's a constant unchanging state that cannot act in any way or create anything since action and creation require time. He'd just be a substance, a shape. If you say God is that shape that became animated when time came to exist, then you have God as the universe and at the same time still haven't made any progress on how time came to exist to animate your God. Now, to face the whole general non-Islamic gods issue... My issue is with an infinite, all-knowing god. All other gods can step back while I finish off this one. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! If God is infinite, we must all be a part of God. Therefore, I'm a part of God and you're a part of God. Yet, I don't know what you're thinking. Thus, one part of God is unaware of another part of God. Poof, there goes the "all-knowing" part... and once you lose that you also lose the all-powerful aspect. If it’s neither omniscient nor omnipotent, that’s probably not your concept of a god… so he’s dead. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
