North Korea's rational line of thinking

Um, since Bush didn't want to talk to Kim, and called him an axis of eviol thingy, Kim dug up the fuel they had stored under camera and built hisself a nuculur weapon. It didn't take a satellite to know that.

Sure NK might have done it anyway, and they might have weapons from before the inspections, but is pissing Kim Ill off a good plan? I don't know, seems like a bad idea to me, even if he is a maniac.

 

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Heh, well since you just HAD to ask, LBJ told his mistress that it was "The CIA and the oilboys" that did it (just using that as a quick summed example). George H.W. Bush, Nixon, Ford and a few other key guys that were behind it due to JFK's mess up of their Bay of Pigs operation which Bush basically ran. And they all got to stay in power to keep the lid on things too. All this because Cuba was threatening our corporations with wanting market price for sugar and such. Funny, sounds similar to big oil being threatened due to the Middle East's currency change from dollar to euro.

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Sorry, I thought Kim admitted he'd been working on the bomb the whole time, even after President Peanut gave him money and fuel oil not to. My mistake.

 

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Why would big oil be "threatened" by a currency change? Especially to a currency as fundamentally weak as the Euro? Hmm, sign a contract at today's Euro value, wait a month, and pay the contract in a currency that's worth less than it was when you signed. That's called making money for nothing at all. Hardly something worth sending the black helicopters out over.

 

Dont tell me 19 men hatched a plan that would eventually employ 100 co-conspirators to support this terror attck went completely unnoticed by the US security service's ! Something this size would not of escaped the attention of the CIA .

 

Maybe you ought to read what the West is doing to the 3rd World before you climb all over my case .

 

Unless the CIA was so tied up in multi-culti red tape and "sensitivity" regulations that they completely lacked the capacity to notice the elephant in the room.

 

Wrong. First of all, the NKPA invaded the ROK and pushed all the way to Pusan before being fought to a standstill. Secondly, there was a triumverate of UN resolutions passed in the last week of June and first week of July, 1950, which condemned North Korean actions and then mobilized all party nations capable of sending troops to defend South Korea from Northern aggression.

How you can suggest that the North Koreans' unprovoked invasion of the South was the result of American interference represents that you lack even a grade-school grasp of the relevant historical facts. Furthermore, you carry on as if facts are merely an optional accessory to arguing your assinine point.

Substantiate your argument or concede.

You know why the sanctions were attributed to the suffering of the Iraqi people? Because Saddam was squandering what he was allowed to import on his military and stabilizing his regime. He received plenty. Those people were starved by his hands.

It would behoove you to stop banging your head against your keyboard before embarassing yourself any further.

 

How was it unprovoked ? It was a civil war between the Koreans , which should of left them to fight it out . China sent in troops to try and repel advancing US troops .

Concede what ?

Yeah right , thus spoke Einstein...........

 

The CIA and FBI named all hijackers within 48 hours and had photos of them as well a little strange if these two agencies were caught unaware. German intelligence had a dossier on Mohammed Attar and 2 other hijackers . Why were none of the CIA or FBI sacked after this fiasco ? Does not stack up .

 

Probably not caught unaware, but caught unaware by the magnitude of what they did: it wasn't unimaginable but it was unprecedented. The CIA are supposed to anlayse, think etc. They automatically assume think in terms of what reasonable people would do. Not quite what was required there.

again, knew they were fishy characters; didn't know quite how fishy.

Stacks up perfectly. Sacking someone suggests they could have worked out what would happen and someone was to blame. Whoever gave that person responsibility carries some of the blame. It moves on up the line. Much better to decide it was nobody's fault and nothing could be done about it. Standard practise in any organisation.

 

Well, I agree with you there. Mohammed Atta could only have been more obvious if he'd gone around introducing himself as a terrorist. Heads should have rolled. But we're talking about an administration that kept losers like Tenent and Clark around long after they'd gone to seed. I think you guys have Bush all wrong. He isn't a tyrant. He's too much of a soft touch.

 

The West is trying to help by trying to bring Democracy to nations that were run by dictators killing their own citizens. The West GIVES billions of dollars in aid to many underdeveloped nations to help them in many ways, the problem is that those in charge are only wanting to keep the mo ney for themselves and not help their citizens whatsoever. So tell me who else helps the 3rd world countries like the west does?

 

What is supposed to go for food and medicine ends up going for goons and guns. Its the reason I have developed more than a touch of culturalism in my day.

 

I understand.

Let us examine the azimuth upon which your moral compass would have taken us. The North Koreans invade the South unprovoked. The world sits idly by and watches, choosing not to intervene as over a million South Koreans die defending their homeland and later under the autocratic fist of Kim Il Sung. After which, the 50+ years of prosperity that South Korea has enjoyed, are displaced by the mass famine and disease that plagues the North under the failed ideology of Juche. Today, both North and South Korea would sit in a state of isolation much like the North suffers from currently, rather than being the burgeoning economic epicenter of SEA.

If you could explain how this would be a preferable result as opposed to what we have now, I'd like to hear it.

Your rebuttal is retarded. The UNSC unanimously approved resolution 687. Irrespective of what Van Sponeck seems to believe, UNSCR was ratified in a democratic process. This cannot be denied. That he (and you, by proxy) would even attempt to is the most laughably absurd gesture of Saddam apologism I have ever seen.

 

The CIA is international intelligence agency and the FBI is a domestic intelligence agency both are to compliment each other .

Far from it , this demonstrates clearly that Egyptian and Saudi intelligence forwarded such intel to the German security services . This proves these individulas were some sought of security risk worthy of surveillance.

I cannot understand this rationale an attack of this magnitude which struck major security targets such as the Pentagon is a serious deriliction of duty . How many British MI5 members were sacked over lapses in security which allowed the IRA to bomb on the mainland . Yet here a more serious case no one gets sacked , in fact the Bush administration increases the CIA's budget !

 

The Bush administration has not any say in the prosecution and administration of foreign policy . All that these cardboard cut out political figures do is they are handed scripts and told to go act . A good example of this is Bush pre 9/11 and post 9/11 study the contrasts and you can clearly see this man is following a directive from a puppet master .

 

*plays the X-Files themesong*

 

The West spends more time installing dictators to prevent real peoples democracy from taking root , like what they did in South Africa.

Aid with strings attached and which has to be paid back with exorbitant interest rates .

Pocketed by corrupt dictators installed by the West .

With freinds like the West who needs enemies !

 

America intervened in a legitimate civil war between 2 opposed sides , in fact Korea literally became a communist state by popular will of the Korean people . Then American troops landed on the peninsula to deliberately and intentionally interfere and artificially bolster up a already doomed South and push back the communists . The US conducted such a horrific attack on the Koreans that the Chinese rushed troops to Korea expecting the US to invade China as well . In 1954 North Korea devastated by war , its econmoy wrecked courtesy of this US inspired war then suffered more economic depravation in the form of US sanctions . Blame for every chid that has died of starvation in North Korea is to be laid at the feet of the White House .
It’s Time to End Sanctions against North Korea

Your ignorance is fantastic !

America and company in other words .