Vegetarian recipes...

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  1. Yamayama Registered Senior Member

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    He seems to have a thing against veg*ns. This is not the first time he has warned us of "civilization" becoming "poorer and sadder", and that we will be "spurning" our "humanity at our own peril" if we stop eating meat. His warnings seem somewhat melodramatic and unfounded to me.

    ....and in doing so you will take yourself that much closer to the "pot belly" you had always dreamed of; the colon cancer you can talk to your friends about on the golf course; and the state of perpetual flatulence* that will cause your wife to move into a separate bedroom before the kids have even reached high-school (..I'm assuming you have cheese in your hamburgers?)

    ...need we read any more? I suspect not, but for the sake of completeness ...

    How long will it be before fat Americans* realize that their (dietary) behaviour isn't representative of - and, more importantly, not a model to be followed for - the entire human race?

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    I mean - come on man! If you are going to advocate a meat-based diet, at least do it properly! Touting the lamented fat-white-boy diet as a healthy option for omnivores is analogous to shooting oneself in the foot.

    * I didn't mean to imply that you are a "fat American" Fraggle. In all fairness though, the diet you have described is just the sort of thing a "fat American" would eat (..and advocate themselves)!
     
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  5. TheAcridApe Mt. Monkey Resident Registered Senior Member

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    1 whole wheat pita
    1/2 cup couscous
    1-2 slices of your favourite vegan soy cheese
    1/2 small onion, chopped
    2-3 tablespoon medium or hot taco sauce
    1 (generous) dash cumin
    1 dash cayenne OR chili powder
    1/2 teaspoon garlic powder
    1 teaspoon nutritional yeast (entirely optional)
    salt and pepper to taste
    oil
    water
    That was delicious but I think you can leave out the soy cheese if you want.
     
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  7. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    Where did you get the stupid idea that plants and vegetables don't have toxins? :bugeye:

    http://www.fehd.gov.hk/safefood/report/toxin_veg/

    I love numb-nut vegetarians. "Plants good. Meat Bad"

    ~Raithere
     
  8. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Where did you ever get the stupid idea that you know what the hell you are talking about because you obviously don't.
    Moron.
     
  9. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    did you even read the website? such an idiot, I wonder what are you doing in sciforums
    probably just washing your mouth
     
  10. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    I ask you the same question cool skill...

    edit:
    waited too long to hit the post button...I'm referring to the question that cool skill asked :m:
     
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  11. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Coming up with a salad is the easiest thing in the world: take a sample from each kind of vegetable in your frige, more of the one that you prefer most, cut up, mix, pour dressing of preference on top.
    In stead of pouring dressing all over, you can eat them fresh as they are (not potatoes, of course), or fried, grilled, boiled, etc. I prefer fresh vegetables without dressing.
    When I'm coming up with a vegetarian meal for myself, I first decide what products I feel like eating at the moment, and then it all just comes together somehow.... I noticed that vegetables are rather filling, so I had to cut down on potatoes and pasta.
    Milk products make a good light breakfast.

    You can also try soups, but not the ones that are meant to be served hot. I recall Oprah was recommending a carrot soup.... Um, look at what shows recommend as "summer recipes," they usually involve a lot of vegetables and cold soups.
     
  12. Naomi [oxiglycodextrosium] Registered Senior Member

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    First of all, a multivitamin wouldn't hurt. These would be good things to make a staple of your everyday diet:

    whole grain breads that have the high protein/fiber
    peanut butter or soy butter
    skim or lowfat milk/yogurt
    (or, if you prefer, soy milk/yogurt)
    fresh fruit, leafy greens, wide variety of veggies, etc
    (if you allow yourself eggs, eat them. if not, you're missing out on good protein.)


    avoid:

    pasta
    potato (except the skin)
    white breads, white rice, ... white anything
    salad dressing. (use canned or fresh fruit, maybe with juice, to top your salads instead.)


    you could learn to love:

    tofu (not gross when prepared properly)
    nuts (something-acids that're supposed to be good for you .. and protein.)
    beans, peas, bean sprouts.
    overall, veggies that haven't been fried in a ton of oil.


    The point here is that since meat (assuming you leave eggs out of your diet) is the only complete source of protein, and plants are incomplete sources, you need to balance your diet between the grains, which include corn, and the legumes, which include navy beans, lima beans, black beans, etc.

    Also, eating a well-balanced vegetarian diet is important since leaving out the entire meat group will make it trickier to get all of your vitamins and minerals. Legumes, whole grains, dairy products, well-varied complex salads INCLUDING carrots and deep green leafies, nuts, fruits (citrus is especially good), and seeds should be in your daily diet, along with a multivitamin, to ensure you're healthy. And remember to eat LOWFAT.

    If you do it right, you'll be healthier than your carnivorous buddies.
     
  13. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    How is it relevant?
     
  14. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Go to a web site that tells what vitamins and minerals are in what vegetables (google will do), and you'll see what you'll need to pick up at the store and in what quantities. As Naomi said, it's tricky. Keep your tastebuds open-minded.

    Um, cool_skill should get high less often.
     
  15. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    I don't see how it would be so tricky. I eat all the crappiest food on the planet. If I were to strictly go raw-herbivore, I would probably just eat whatever I see in that category without getting obsessed with planning and making a big deal. Not that it is a bad thing. The point is;
    One does not have to be nitpicky about what one eats as long as one is eating the proper human herbivore foods.
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I completely don't eat meat for about a year or so, but I too don't do any of that planning - what food includes what vitamins/other stuff.
    I just eat whatever non-meat food I like and get my hands on. Oh, and take one multivitamin pill a day.
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    What I have a "thing" against is this frightening armada of health-safety-fitness-and-sobriety-at-any-cost nannies that so desperately want to take all the fun out of life. Everything we do is dangerous. That's why, incredibly enough, we all die.

    I'm a lone voice. Very few people who live traditional lifestyles get on soapboxes and preach because they're too content with their own lives to meddle in everybody else's. Don't you find it a bit odd that such a huge percentage of people who live these supposedly correct lives with their helmets and their jogging and avoidance of doughnuts and liquor are always screaming about something? They're like the religious extremists who can't stand to have non-believers around because they're happier than they are.
    Americans have potbellies because they spend too much time in the office and on the freeway and can't even burn off a 900 calorie diet. If the oil companies' stranglehold on our economy could be broken and we could all work at home, we'd get more exercise and we'd look like the people in other countries who eat much like we do.
    Sorry, I've been listening to the "health experts" since the 1950s when they told us all to eat margarine instead of butter because it was healthier! Doctors told fat people to smoke because it would curb their appetites! I just don't frelling believe any of them any more. They reverse themselves every couple of years anyway.
    Yes I sometimes put cheese in my burgers. Yet even though I'm the most lactose-intolerant person I know, an occasional cheeseburger doesn't bother me. If you're having to dredge up flatulence as a health problem to warn me about, your agenda is pretty pathetic.
    The French, the Italians, and the Japanese each ingest more unhealthy substances of their favorite types than we do, yet their life expectancies do not suffer. It would seem that speaking English is what's killing us.

    The fact that our children are fat is a new phenomenon and even I have to acknowledge it. Kids used to be active. Now they're not. It's as simple as that. I think that obesity is only one of many disorders that this generation is going to grow up with because of their sedentary lifestyle. The young of most species romp and frolic, it develops their coordination, their social skills, and makes them feel good. This is going to be one clumsy, geeky, depressed generation of videogame champions.
    You toss that off as though it's irrelevant. The fact is that I eat a 3,000 calorie daily diet, I'm six feet even, and I weigh about 175. I exercise three times a week, non-fanatically, other than that I walk a lot but again not fanatically. My secret is that I have never in my life gone on a diet. My metabolism has never adapted to famine mode. My body knows that there will always be plenty of food so it doesn't have to develop efficient means of wrenching every last calorie out of each meal.

    The worst thing you can do for your weight is to go on and off of diets.

    So stop dieting and learn to speak Italian. You'll be svelte and happy.

    Remember, you can stop eating red meat and white bread, give up alcohol and all drugs, run fifty miles a week, take up yoga and tai chi, and follow every other safety and fitness fad you can find. It probably won't make your life any longer, but it will sure as hell feel like it!
     
  18. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    First, I want you to know that I'm not a health-nazi.

    But the way you phrase things makes it sound like anyone who objects to your Ronald McDonald fantasy world, who runs and practices yoga -which I among many do- is somehow a zealot.

    no, no, no..

    Uh..no.

    People get potbellies because they eat the wrong kinds of foods, have poorly functioning thyroids, poorly aligned spines and suffer from the materialism which keeps them living that way.

    Blaming calories is like blaming pathogens for disease. Immunity is the problem.

    Those are 'fads'. We've known for thousands and thousands of years that
    1) sunshine
    2) balanced diet
    3) sufficient exercise

    is all you need to maintain health.

    Those 'health experts' you speak of are actually journalists who know dick all about biology. They give the rest of us a bad name.

    Flatulence is a symptom of bad bacteria in your digestive tract. Its like the squeaking sound in your car. Its means you're more prone to disease and other ailments.

    People in the north end of my city live to an average age of 84 years. English speaking people that have one of the highest life expectancies in the world.

    You need to look beneath the surface. If we opened you up, I bet your insides would show deterioration at a faster rate than most health conscious individuals.

    My old biology teacher had a story- She went to watch her husband play ice hockey. He was 'ideal' weight, much like yourself, but a lot of the guys he was playing with were overweight. Festively plump.

    After five minutes, her husband was wrecked, but the fat guys had such well developed cardiovascular systems that they went on like nothing.

    The point is, the importance you place on ideal weight shows your ignorance to what it means to be truly healthy. I can agree with this though:
    The worst thing you can do for your weight is to go on and off of diets.

    Most ignorant thing all I've read all day. Please provide us with an example if your going to make such blase remarks.
     
  19. Naomi [oxiglycodextrosium] Registered Senior Member

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    Never mind the blustering meat eaters who get all defensive. They're emptyheaded and can be ignored.

    Their reactions to a healthy vegetarian diet is like the reaction of right-wing Christians to PBS programs that DARE to show our precious children the WRONG AND EVIL LIFESTYLES of homosexuals.

    These are all just knee-jerk response by small minds to something they can't control. This buzz of protest comes from inferior humans, but fortunately it can easily be tuned out.

    You know the saying, right?

    I'm rubber, you're glue, everything you say bounces off me and buries itself up your overlarge ass.
     
  20. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Couple of years? Annually. I completely agree with you.

    I plan to die like each authentic Russian: with an extraordinarily high cholesterol that should've killed me in my 20s but will miraculously let me live until I'm 80 or older. (After 80, the brain functions at such a level that I might as well die.)

    Each of us lives only once. I don't want to die regretting that I haven't eaten my share of pork fat; it tastes too good.
     
  21. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense. True Russians die in the gulag.
     
  22. Yamayama Registered Senior Member

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    The Vegsource website has a recipe section which you might be interested in. It has recipes in lots of different categories; as well as dessert recipes etc..
     
  23. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Vegetarism seems to be more a fashion statement than a biological reality. Hence fraggle's argument seems perfectly sensible. We have seen things mentioned that humans are herbivores. Obviously our dentition doesn't lie (i will claim to be the expert here with a PhD in evo-devo of teeth). Our teeth tell us that we are omnivores.

    So, that is a biological reality.

    Then it is mentioned that it is difficult to balance a vegetarian diet. The biological reason behind this is that our body has been built to be sustained by an omnivoric diet.

    That is also a biological reality.

    So, let's not call other people ignorant or emptyheaded, because you yourself have the urge to follow a certain dietary fashion.
     
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