No kidding. It's hard to influence someone whose conclusions are based on emotion (which is at least 3x more powerful than rational thought). Desire, Fear, Attractiveness, Euphoric hallucination... and on the opposite spectrum truth.
God is obviously a reflection of everything human imagination could conjure up. God is nothing more than a bunch of human concepts that don't truly exist. God is a comforting thought, and idealistic view of the universe that gives us a false sense of purpose. The truth is we have to create our own meaning for our lives. We give our lives purpose, its an ability our advanced form of consciousness has enabled us to do. Let us accept our inability to be omniscient. Let us not irrationally justify that which we do not know. Why does God exist? Because we want him to. Yea this thread is dead.
I was just wondering how the second law of thermodynamics would fit into the "eternal universe, chance creation" argument, since the progression of entropy seems to mean that the universe began at some point in a highly organized state. Maybe I'm mistaken?
A visit from Satan would prove that there is a God. Really, who would make a deal with the Devil when you know your going to get screwed in the afterlife?
johnny why do you think satan is the bad guy,and not your personal god. why do you think satan would frighten a non-believer, if he has no believe in god, he also has no believe in the devil, or an afterlife.
Who says that the planet is dying?. It's been here for apx. 4.5 billion years. It will probably be here for another 10 billion years. G
1- There are good chances humans won't be around for millions of years (wars and pollution) 2- The sun is expanding and will eventually engulf the Earth (unless it implodes and fades out) 3- If the Big bang theory is correct, then there's going to be a Big crunch. 4- Insert other hypothesis of physical science that will destroy the earth here*
Item #2 is actually the real problem. We have approximately 500 million years until it becomes so hot that the oceans boil. Human life (as it has adapted today) wont be possible. 500 mil years is a short time to relocate and that's probably our best option.
Any supernatural presence would at least give proof that there is a spiritual or higher existence..mabye not a good vs. evil.
No one can predict the future. There are good chances as well that we will still be around I.E. Identifying mysticism as a conflict with human existence, eradicating beliefs in the supernatural, learning that mysticism is a desease of the mind. The main objective of humanity would be to prolong life, and to further our epistemological evolution. It's a bit early and we are 2500 years behind because of mysticism. Eradicate this, and the explosion of knowledge would dwarf the computer age!. With advanced knowledge we may be able to stop the big crunch with other beings of the universe, that we may meet in our future. Once we become civilized and cross the speed of light threshold. You are forgeting humanities quest for knowledge and understanding. Now multiply that by 1000x after the fall of mystical desease. Godless.
God is real, and God can be proven. However, through looking through these posts, those asking the questions, demanding proof, are only begging to be given the chance to argue, and are not really wanting to be shown. As such, they may never, in this life, see and experience God. If you truely want proof of God, ask HIM to reveal Himself to you. But do so in a spirit of humbleness and humility. If you truly wish to know God, He will make Himself known. "And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart." God wants all people to know Him, but arrogance is something with which He won't contend. (Oh, and those who have said that they need no God yada, yada, yada...have, in essence set themselves up as god over their own lives. Those who have said there is no God, read Psalms 14:1: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. This sentiment is repeated several times in the writings that have been proven true time and time again...and have never once been proven wrong)
i am assuming your christian. So you say ask god to show you the truth? And im assuming since your christian the truth is christ? Then here is a qestion for you, what about those who have asked god in the past and have gotten nothing or a diffrent religon like islam? Are you going to be a typical christian and say they followed the wrong path? or that they were deceived by Satan?
So quit blathering like an idiot and start providing that proof you think you have. Other than claiming we just want to argue. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I thought you had proof? Were's the evidence? why now are you contradicting yourself, and claim I must ask the invisible sky daddy to reveal itself to me?. And it's not arrogance of christians claiming to have proof of god? Put up or shut up!! BTW, don't take it personal, and welcome to Sciforums. God is Imaginary Godless
I have spoken with many people from many different religions. Something I have found is this: Those who have embraced many of the Eastern religions have found them lacking. Many Hinus know that there is a greater power outside this physical world. However they mostly are following only what they have been taught, and have no certainty of what happens next. The have little or no spiritual comfort, even after they have found that for which they think they have been searching. Likewise, those Buddhists I've known aren't finding what they claim to be seeking. They believe in no god other than themselves and have no hope in attaining their spiritual enlightenment. The Muslims/Islamics I've spoken with follow their beliefs out of fear. Many claim association with Islam only by birth. Theirs is a constant struggle to be good enough to find favor that they may not ever obtain except by being a martyr in their Jihad. The Jews I've known have some measure of hope. However most get tangled up in the letter of the law and never get through to taking what is in their heads and getting it into their hearts. Christians have many problems of their own. Most come from the inside. They have too many people claiming to be Christian, then going out and doing or acting in a manner contrary to their claims: the term "Christian" meaning "Christ-like". However, Christians are also the group who believe that God has given His children, any of those people (regardless of race, status, gender, or history) who will accept Christ's sacrifice for them, the opportunity to freely come to Him with any concern, as a child would to a loving, caring parent. The greatest proof that a Christian has is the change that is made in their lives. When the person begins to live according to God's Will, as it is laid out in the Biblical scriptures, and for the benefit of others, rather than for his or her own personal gain. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1
Yes. This is an unfortunate way to open a post - for you. Please give us what no one in recorded history has been able to: irrefutable, objective proof of god's existence. We want proof in the classical sense. - Repeatable observations - Physical evidence - Experimentally verifiable claims You know. The kind of things you expect for every other aspect of claims of reality. Except god apparently.
lacking what, a deity, well duh so does yours. yes thats what they believe, they would'nt be believers if the did'nt would they duh. what just like xians. as does no one. ( not even the xian) no one does and no one needs it as do and have xians, we can obtain enlightenment in any field, however spiritual is just impossible. again as do xains as do xians. just like stephen, kjv, acts 22,20 "And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him." Stephen was the first martyr oh yes christ like, kjv,matt 10,34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36: And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." what sacrifice. what loving caring parent. are you sure!. well predicted, you must be a prophet.
