I hate modern art so much. Impressionism, not so much. But modern art... good lord, there's very little good modern art. By throwing away convention, they've adopted a new set of conventions just as conventional as the old. Besides, I like natural ratios, like thirds and fifths and phi. They look good.
What? I dislike modern art. Do you need a list? I do not like: 1. Romanticism 2. Impressionism 3. Modern art Out of the three, I do not consider Impressionism or Modern art, art. I could easily make an Impressionist painting... and, well, modern art; all I have to do is get one of my exgirlfriends used tampons and tape it to a wall. Roman gets it, and VossitArt has come around (Or did he even need converting in the first place). Really, I don't see how open and accepting people like Tiassa can tell me that my own personal preference on art, is crap. And isn't an opinion at all. Art is in the eye of the beholder, blah blah.
I can agree that much of modern art is pretty crappy (and this all reminds me of conversations of days of yore but I don't have time to get into this right now). But you don't think this is art? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Or this? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Oh, quit victimizing yourself, Counsler. And why did you cite only part of your own standard? I don't see what about either of those paintings wasn't done already.
Well, when you're not busy stroking your ego (along with other things), let me explain this to you: they meet my standards. If you don't see how Goya's work meets my standards (And they are my standards, not yours), then you lack reading comprehension.
Dont think you can limit art. it'd be like limiting the bodymind. cant be done of course any art--for me must have feeling. if i listen to a musician, singer, or watch a dancer. GOT to have feeling or you know it, and it isn't Duende Same with art. but i can understand people who go for the safe too. thy just need Acid puttin their cocoa is all...haha
Gee, not like we've had this debate before. -Bob- I think he's referring to the pop-pre-Raphaelites like Waterhouse. Goya rules.
Waterhouse was a little bit gay. Is that what you mean, Counseler? It's just that when I hear 'Romanticism' I instantly think of Goya.
Romanticism is great. Individualism was enforced as people moved further from the “I’m composing pieces and storing them, incase someone orders one” attitude. Though, when musicians started taking pride from pedantic techniques, and started to compose merely because they wanted to be the first ones to do something and puzzle the masses with it… this ruins it. The coolest guy ever was a romantic (or however you articulate that in English). Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And the people who fall in the “I’m off to appreciate Schönberg, and you’s guyses don’t get him” category are annoying.
Schönberg is awesome, I don't give a shit what anyone says. You need to smoke a blunt before you take a listen, though.
Schönberg is like a mathematician. Schöberg is blinded with atonality (exclude Verklärte Nacht) and too impressed with dodecaphony. Most don’t realize how restricting dodecaphony is. It’s not an ‘improvement’ casted upon music as advancement. Schönberg appoints another set of rules disguised as an upgrade to a medium that advocates those not dependant on rules. Think about this and realize that he started of as a late romantic (still, not sure of the spelling), then think what romanticism is about and see the irony. Though… it is about enforcing individualism, I’ll give you that. That being said, I respect the man but not as a composer, but rather as a researcher.
It is a system that is constructed using a line consisting of 12 tones. The line is called “Die Reihe”. An octave has 12 chromatic notes, these notes act as the foundation of a dodecaphonic piece and Schönberg used them like so: Notes from the basic octave perform in the basic “reihe” so that they do NOT form tonal subjects (triads etc..). Contacts to scales are avoided (strike one in my opinion). And now the thrill… no note can be repeated in the “reihe”, until all of the notes are played trough once (composer can repeat individual notes, though). Strike two. Now, add reversals (not sure of the terminology in English, so bare with me), flip intervals transform notes to different octavic scales and use transportation to change the pitch and you have a piece. Someone who has absolutely NO talent nor brains can use this method to create a composition that he/she can call to be a musical piece.
Indeed. I was waiting for Tiassa to pick up on that (Because he knows so much about art). Goya was also the father of modern art, so really, he is two things that I said I didn't like. I guess Tiassa just knew so much that he didn't feel like pointing it out. Goya still rules. When I think romanticism, I think this: http://www.princeton.edu/~romance/images/bouchdia.jpg
Counseler: The correct word for that art is Rococco. That's a painting by Boucher, predating Goya and Romanticism by about half a century (and sandwiched inbetween Neo-Classicism, which you also seem to enjoy). I wouldn't say Goya is the father of modern art, although he certainly was a contributor. Manet is usually the man who's given that distinction. Hmm, I'll have to remember that.
