The Ice Age: Mainstream Alternative ro the prevailing view.

No I was teasing. You can't discard anything especially when it looks so obvious. The scientific method requires to explain phenomena within logical physical boundaries. This one is unexplainable unless you could come up with a mechanism that could lead to some phenomenon like a pole shift.

But it's a "rapid true polar wander", what we are looking at and it goes roughly like this:

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But it will take another century before I get this explained and accepted.

 

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How do they taste?

 

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I think that you should take any herbivore that eats generally the same things that mamooth ate, and voila!

 

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Silly me, :bugeye: I forgot to taste when my pal showed me a piece of mammoth muscles. I guess you have to ask the dogs.

Anyway I started an attempt to explain the Rapid True Polar Wander here but I guess I lost everybody

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Much much warmer? I thought the evidence pointed to summers being just slighty warmer

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And, more importantly, drier

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Well it's all a case of subjective interpretation. First of all "just" should actually read "at least". Judging the pollen, the beetles, the evidence tree remains would indicate a slightly higher temperature at minimum, comparing the absolute minimum year isoterm that these organisms can survive.

But supporting considerable herds of large grazers is something different. This requires a certain rapid pace in the food chain. Grass growing sufficient fast and long enough to accumulate enough biomass to sustain the herds. Sure, grass can survive below +10C indefinitely, but it won't hardly grow. Think about when the lawn has to be mowed. Calculations have been made how much watts/m2 would be required to sustain the megafauna herds with enough grass and the outcome is ridiculous. This is something completely different than just assuming the northernmost isoterm of those species.

 

So whoever wants to know more about the extinction of the mammoth and happens to understand Dutch and happens to be around on the 18th of Juni:

http://www.pleistocenemammals.com/

Hit the link "aktiviteiten" on the right and scroll down: 14.30-15.00

 

Essan

I see you have encountered Andre; one of the best brains on the Internet. Enjoy.

I passed by Evesham on my way to Bristol from Stratford-upon-Avon last Saturday.

At least Absonite has not found this BB yet. em bows mercifully.

 

But the maximum extend of glacial advance in the Pyrenees occured 30,000 years ago

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www.ipe.csic.es/limnogeologia/Articulospdf/JQS2003.pdf

A fact yet to be explained by any ice age model

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Hi Cat,

Yes, I've known Andre for a good while actually - since his days at AR. He posts a lot on my weather forum nowadays too

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I've not been here for a while though.

 

So it sounds like we should start buying some warm winter clothing in another 13,000 to 14,000 years and maybe a good heater too?

Novacane

 

Not really, the temperature differences in the "ice age" with today have likely been exagarated a lot.

 

So the areas that were under the full weight of the ice-sheets (Scandinavia and northwestern Russia) at the height of the last ice age, would be rising out of the sea now, right? Because when they were depressed by the weight of the ice--by 1/3 the depth of the ice--i.e. 3 metres of ice depresses the land beneath it by 1 metre--the aestheosphere, which lies between the bottom of the crust and the top of the mantle, would have been squeezed out of the way, pushed south. Now the ice-cap is gone, the material is oozing back under the areas where it was forced out. So southern Russia and Europe are sinking slowly, and the north is rising.

 

That could be true but then again, Take Beijing for instance. Never an ice sheet and look what happened:

http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/30/4/379

Edit: note k.y. and ka are both 1000 years. 80 ka is 80,000 years ago.