How jesus is the son of God

But didnt Jesus(pbuh) say that he didnt come for the world but only for the "Lost sheep/tribe of Israel"?


"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)





peace to you :m:

 

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He came for Israel, and through Israel He brought salvation to the world:

Isaiah 49:6 (cf. Isaiah 42:5-7; 51:3-5)
he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."​

Jesus, descendant of David, was the King of Israel that would rule over all nations. Like the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15 (see verse 28), we are included into the covenant of love that God made with Israel by our faith in God.

It was clear that Jesus understood this. He considered sinners and tax collectors as lost sheep - "it is the sick who need a doctor, not the healthy," He said.

John 15:14-16 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me – just as the Father knows me and I know the Father – and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.​

 

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itopal: Jesus was a man - in the flesh (like you and me); son of Joseph, begat, begat his lieneage is traced back through bloodline. . . male bloodlines. Everyone in the flesh-sense is fathered by god - no exceptions; if god is.
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M*W: itopal, scholarly rumor has it that Joseph wasn't Jesus's father after all. The current theory is he was conceived by Mary with the help of one Roman soldier called Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera. The Talmud mentions Jesus as Panthera's son on multiple occasions. The early church fathers either destroyed this information written down by several other writers, or it may still be hidden in The Vatican.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_biblianazar_7.htm

 

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I've never heard of scholarly rumour before. Is there a peer-reviewed journal for them? And if it's in the Tamud (c. 200+ AD), it's not a "current theory" either, is it? Sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

 

Al Hussein,

I will answer your questions about Jesus, and could you please answer mine about Islam in the attached document at the bottom of this note.

I understand you are muslim in your faith and perhaps the table below will help answer your question concerning Jesus as the son of god and the god or god(s) that christians worship. Outsiders think christians worship 3 gods. Christians will all tell you they worship one god with three co-equal aspects: father, son, and holy spirit. These aspects correspond to the three aspects of a human, created in the image of god:

God: Man (made in image of God)
Father Like Man's Soul
Son Like Man's Body
Holy Spirit Like Man's Spirit

Here is the table please help me complete the section on Islam.

thank you very much.

Peace be with you.

 

? so man is god.

where is this in the bible

where is this in the bible

where is this in the bible

should'nt there be three, in a trinity.
"baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).
should'nt it read god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit.
three names, one god.

 

Yes: the name, not "the names". One name, all of God.

 

Jenyar: I've never heard of scholarly rumour before. Is there a peer-reviewed journal for them?
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M*W: It was a figure of speech, okay? I probably should have used the word 'theory' or 'fact'. There are peer reviewed journals on this subject:

Biblical Archeological Review
The Evangelistic Outpost
Journal of Biblical Literature
Journal of Early Christian Studies
Journal of New Testament Studies
Theology Today
Journal of the Biblical Archeological Society
Bible Review in a popular style, reader-friendly Biblical scholarship that covers both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, illuminating the text with the latest insights of modern Biblical research, from The Biblical Archaeology Society
Biblica
Journal of Hebrew Scriptures
Electronic Journals in Religion
Okeanos
Lectio Difficilior
Review of Biblical Literature
Zeitschrift für die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft
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Jenyar: And if it's in the Tamud (c. 200+ AD), it's not a "current theory" either, is it? Sounds more like a conspiracy theory.
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M*W: To you, it would be a conspiracy theory, but to those of us who are not afraid to continue seeking the truth about Jesus, it is clearly theory becoming fact right before our eyes. Since the Talmud wasn't compiled until after the NT, Jesus would not have known what was in it -- just like he would not have known what was written in the NT. Therefore, there is no way Paul could quote Jesus the exact words of Jesus since he never knew Jesus. Then it becomes a fictional story. The conspiracy theory arises with the early church fathers and the Roman Catholic Church. This was allegedly the church of Peter who betrayed Jesus and MM. Christianity was Paul's and Peter's bastard. It has nothing to do with Jesus.

http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/talmud.html

 

Not in any of those journals you mentioned.

 

itopal: So what, my comment was he was a man. . . a person . . . like you and me.
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M*W: Agreed.
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itopal: If god is, and who knows? Then god is, if god is, If, If, If, If, If, . . .
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M*W: Agreed.
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itopal: Then all (based on an if); are god's children. . . in the flesh.
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M*W: Agreed.
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itopal: As for (covered-up ancient) conspiracy theories, I side with Jenyar (on point), the mention of Yeshua in the Talmud could easily be seen as revisionist reaction to early Christianity.
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M*W: Agreed. The Jews may have had their own agenda against Christianity, but as far as conspiracies theories go, the Jews conspired to create the concept of a monotheistic god which was taken from the Aten Sun God of Moses. The Christians came along and conspired to create the concept of the Sun of God. The truth is that there is no god and Jesus is no more god's son than any other human being if a god exists, and Jesus was not a savior. The true conspirators were Moses and Paul and the early church fathers. They represent the patriarchy.

 

Musta,

Do you want to know, or is this going to be an argument?

“ Originally Posted by woody
God: Man (made in image of God) ”

No, man is made in the image of God.

And God said, Let us make man in our image , after our likeness:

God's image has a plurality, as the verse says.

“ Originally Posted by woody
Father: Like Man's Soul ”

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


The Father is the soul of God, the soul is pleased or displeased with things. The soul is the seat of human emotion, made in the image of God.

Soul Defined:
1. The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.



“ Originally Posted by woody
Son: Like Man's Body ”

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus, was made flesh and dwelt amongst men, hence his name "Emmauel" which is interpreted "God with Us"



“ Originally Posted by woody
Holy Spirit: Like Man's Spirit ”

The spirit does not speak but groans preverbaly to make intercession:

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

The spirit is like God's essense. It is not the same as the soul (Father) or the body (Jesus the son).

Only those that are born again have a spirit.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Yes

 

you place man on equal par with god, so therefore man must be god

lets rephrase it, where in the bible is this interpretation written

where in the bible is this interpretation written

where in the bible is this interpretation written

this is not arguement I want to know as I have never seen your interpretation written in the bible, so you should state it's you interpretation.

because this
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." what soul
this
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"what body
and this
"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."this is the only one that comes close, what spirit, clarify.
none answer the questions, could you also supply the books and passages for those scriptures.

 

This has become absurdly complicated.

Jesus is the literal son of God. It was by "divine miracle" that Mary became pregnant. There was no human male involved.

The Son, The Father, and The Holy Ghost are: Jesus, God, and the term used to describe the supernatural things that God does, including how we feel and blessings.

Someone on page one quoted from The Gospel of Thomas. This is from the GNOSTIC gospels, and since 320 A.D. , it has been agreed that they are NOT legitimate gospels of Jesus Christ. This was voted, unbeknownst to either of them, by different churches spread thousands of miles apart.

It should also be mentioned that Sons of God are mentioned in Genesis. This was simply a term used to describe angels and had nothing to do with Jesus Christ, the ultimate sacrifice for all of humanity.

 

Musta said:

The voice (soul) that spoke was God the Father. He says Jesus is His Son, and the Holy Spirit came down from heaven and landed on Jesus.

Jesus is the "Word" that was made flesh and dwelt amongst men, and he is the only begotten of the Father.

The "Spirit" is the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit of God takes the prayers of a believer, and intercedes to God the Father on the believer's behalf. The imperfections in a believer's prayer are "filtered out" by the Holy Spirit, as the best case is presented to God the Father. Jesus advocates the believer before God the Father.

They can be looked up in a bible concordance, just plug in part of the verse in the search toolbar on this link:

On-Line Concordance

I can not explain what God looks like. The explanations are from bible scholars I know personally, that have studied the character of the God of the Bible for all of their lives. The "triune" illustration applied to mankind is only an analogy, but it works pretty well. None of the prophets can explain what God truely looks like. Moses came the closest to seeing God "face-to-face" in his true form:

Father God of the Bible says:

And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

So God has a face, a hand, and a back. A facial view is fatal for any form of imperfection:

Father God of the Bible:

Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Quite a change from the Garden of Eden!

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I have not seen God personally, but I do know from the scriptures that man is made in the image of God. The scriptures do not tell us that man is equal to God, rather there is a great similarity between man and God.

Man is triune (in some respects like God): Man has a body, a soul, and a spirit (spirit applies only if he/she is born again according to scpritures). If a person is not born again they only have a body and a soul. The spirit component of man died in the garden of eden. This is why a second birth is required for all of mankind to be reconciled with God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

5 John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

6 Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

7 Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

8 Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

10 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

 

Can we move from ancient, mistranslated manuscripts to a few facts. There is only one latitude on the planet where the helical risings, and settings, of Venus are separated by exactly 60 degrees. The latitude of Jerusalem. ( from Uru Shalim, meaning founded by the god of the evening star ie Venus ) Once you have this angle you have the basis of the equilateral triangle, the three equal components, whether it be sides or angles. This is the reason that the three main monotheistic religions all have Jerusalem at their heart. Hence also the Holy Trinity.

This all comes from Egyptian astronomy and predates these religions by at least a thousand years. Don't believe me? Try this. An equilateral triangle of side 25 cubits has a vertical height of 10 metres. The metre was designed by the French to be 1/10,000,000th. of the distance from the equator to the pole on the meridian through Paris. Their calculation of this distance was out by, I think, about 80 metres. The Egyptians were out by only 40. Seems to me that the original concept of a single God came from Venus and the Egyptians, or maybe somewhere before even that.

 

Itseemstome,

The cubit is based on the distance from a man's elbow to the tip of his middle finger (about 18 inches on the average male). Odviously a chinaman's cubit is different from an american cubit. A basketball player's cubit is different from a race horse jockey's cubit, and so on. Within all the variation of a cubit you can probably find one that is exactly on the money for the calculation you are making -- but that's just a coincidence.

 

the size of a cubit, is debateable woody:
I would check this out http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=40988
and taken from that thread

 

Woody: The cubit is based on the distance from a man's elbow to the tip of his middle finger (about 18 inches on the average male). Odviously a chinaman's cubit is different from an american cubit. A basketball player's cubit is different from a race horse jockey's cubit, and so on. Within all the variation of a cubit you can probably find one that is exactly on the money for the calculation you are making -- but that's just a coincidence.
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M*W: Well, we don't measure by cubits today. Back in the day when the cubit was used, the peoples of that area were probably of similar stature (much smaller than we are today, I would imagine).

 

Hi MW,

I showed Al Hussein my religion table, and look what happened: It's like He was totally spooked by it all. Then I answered Musta about the trinity and she ran off so she wouldn't catch a religion. So the subject is cubits.

By the way, how is your son doing with the music ministry. Your situation reminds me of Madilyn Murray O'Hare and her son here in the USA. She was a very vocal atheist that put an end to prayer in public schools, and her son became a christian preacher. They were travelling together in an automobile and both of them disappeared many years ago. They've never been found.

 

Getting back to what god looks like briefly..

Although we can't give an exact description, we all know he's white... right?