How jesus is the son of God

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Al hussein, Mar 8, 2005.

  1. Al hussein Registered Senior Member

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    Can a christian explain me how is Jesus son of god?
    Peacefully no arguments i just wanna know
     
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  3. beyondtimeandspace Everlasting Student Registered Senior Member

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    Do you mean to ask how it is possible that Jesus is the son of God? or in what way is Jesus the son of God (ie, as a holy man, or as God)? or how do we know, or for what reason do we believe Jesus is the son of God?
     
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  5. Al hussein Registered Senior Member

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    Y thats exactly what i want to know
    When u say "SON OF GOD" does it mean god has a wife
    or it has a deeper meaning if so then what is it.
     
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  7. beyondtimeandspace Everlasting Student Registered Senior Member

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    Ah, I see. Ok, to answer the question, "does God have a wife?" No, that is not what we believe. Scripturally speaking, the title "son of God" goes all the way back to Genesis. There were other prophets and holy men of God who were called sons of God. In fact, often you will come across that terminology among Christians today, in reference to Christians as the sons and daughters of God. The meaning behind this is that you are of God. You follow the commands of God, follow God's will, that you are a person of God, holy and righteous according to God's ways.

    Many Christians believe that this is simply what the title Son of God meant for Jesus. That He was a good teacher, a prophet, a holy man of God. Others, however, believe that for Christ it also held a particular meaning.

    Many Christians believe that God is a Trinity, a tri-une God. This Trinity is made up of three persons, but it is one God. The three persons of the are designated "Father," "Son," and "Holy Spirit." Each representing a different person of God. However, each person is identical, and is the same being. Many Christians believe that Jesus is the second person of this Trinity, the Son, and so the title "Son of God" had the special significance, and Jesus, the second person of the Trinity. In other words, some Christians believe that Jesus is God, and as such is named "Son of God."
     
  8. Al hussein Registered Senior Member

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    So Father is God
    son is Jesus(not actually son of god but a title)
    who is the holy spirit?

    Is Trinity a belief of all christians
    Can u explain more abt Trinity?
     
  9. Silas asimovbot Registered Senior Member

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    "Can you briefly summarise the ponderings of two thousand years of philosophical and theological thought in an internet forum post?"

    No.

    There are maybe a hundred of us who regularly read and contribute here, and in answer to generalised questions like the ones you are posting will get a hundred different answers.

    Go to a library, read some books, talk to people and then come here to clarify problems that are a little more specific.
     
  10. Al hussein Registered Senior Member

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    ME and the other guy were talkin very nicely UNTIL ANOTHER RUDE PERSON HAD TO GET IN
    And i didnt ask u where can i get this information i asked u to give me the information IF U CANT THEN ITS BETTER NOT TO SAY ANYTHING :bugeye:
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Salaam Aleikum,
    "son of" means of the same nature, not a blood relation, thus Jesus was a "son of" God, just as you and I are. Holy spirit means the same thing.
     
  12. Silas asimovbot Registered Senior Member

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    As a matter of fact, my post was intended as politely as I could make it. I was trying to tell you that these are not easy questions to be glibly summarised in a forum like this, and that you were unlikely to get a definitive answer.

    Not quite sure who's actually being rude here, but I accept that my post could be taken the wrong way.
     
  13. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    To ask what son of 'god' means. we need to research what the Goddess and her son'lover/consort meant

    why?

    because when you look into this--how the patriarchy denigrated the Goddess, yu see how much of the imagery was appropriated by the patriarchs. so that now there is the ideas put foreward--as has been done by bloody force through the patriarchs histroy, in the form we are talking here Judaic Christianity--that the '
    son' is not belonging to a Goddess but to a 'God' a sky god who sends his 'only son' down as a 'sacrifice' so as to 'redeem mankind/ noone has to go to no library. stick around heree. thats what these forums are for. for LIVe debate...

    The 'son/Lover' of the GODDESS had many associations, Nature, feritility, eroticism, and the hallucinogenic sacrament. what Christianity does to the "Son" is de-sexes him, deifies him, and puts him out of the peoples rach. in that they are forbidden the Healing Sacrament, and Ecstasy
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, Duendy, but it would have been impossible for Jesus to transcend the conventions of the time to such a degree.

    Gospel of Thomas:
    114) Simon Peter said to Him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are
    not worthy of Life."
    Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her
    male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you
    males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the
    Kingdom of Heaven."

    --------
    Thus in Saying #114, it is to be understood that
    "male" symbolizes the pneumatic (spiritual, or Gnostic)
    Christians, and "female" symbolizes the psychic (unenlightened,
    or orthodox) Christians, rather than actually referring to males
    and females.
    ---------
     
  15. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    Im no more Christian b/c the whole belief is illogical,and conceived only for mental enslavement of its followers
    see the xian church invented this so called SIN,and have been selling us Jesus as a cure for it ever since.

    it doesnt make any sense,even if there was God ..
    ,especialy if there was God..
    b/c IF God created everyone we would all be his/hers/its children and not just this Jesus dude..
    and if God was the Loving father as they say,would he create man able to SIN,
    would everyone need to be condemned to hell just because Adam ate from the tree of knowledge??
    its all just too idiotic for a reasonably thinking person to take seriously,
    but then...theists and "reason" doesnt exactly fit together

    your mind on logic
    1+1+1=3

    your mind on God
    1+1+1=1

    so basicaly the story goes like so;

    God/Jesus
    sent Jesus/God to die to please God to change the rule God himself made in the first place!!!

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  16. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    What about 1*1*1=1?

    The trinity is a core belief of Christianity. It describes three aspects of God that we see in Scriptures, but that we have trouble seeing logically -- like we would have trouble seeing all sides of a cube at the same time.

    The Holy Spirit is described in different ways, but He is mostly understood as God's presence and guidance.

    "Son of God" is a title, like "Son of Man", but in the case of Jesus they have special meaning. Unlike Adam, Jesus is called the only Son of God (you may also have heard the words "only-begotten" or "beloved"). The Bible and the Quran helps us to understand this type of distinction when they tell us that God also chose a similar a special relationship with Isaac, a child chosen by God, "the child of the promise" - born from a barren woman.

    When Jesus was baptized, God again declared such a special relationship, one that wasn't like the relationship He had with others. He said: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17), and then God's Spirit descended on him.
     
  17. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    EXactly, the same duality between the body and 'spirit'. this says to me that even though they may take the hallucinogenic sacrament--ie., the gnostic-christians--yet they still have a precept that 'spirit' is superior to 'matter', and the former they relate to the male and the latter to the female. So in this sense, their 'son of God' is meaning 'LOGOS' -their idea of ratioanl spirit (because their dream was to escape earth and head back to the stars), which dramtically differes from the Goddess religious view of the sacrament, the hallucinogenic mushroom which was coming from transendence AND immanence (Earth), because the 'two' hadn't been separated psychologically by a patriarchal mindset
     
  18. Silas asimovbot Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmm.... from Saying #114, what I understand is that Jesus and the Apostles were a load of unreconstructured old misogynistic sexists.

    Wow, maybe Paul was one of them after all!
     
  19. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

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    i would assume metaphorically, its not as if Jesus gets half his chromosomes from Mary and half from God
     
  20. Al hussein Registered Senior Member

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    In islam God tells us we are "ASHRAFUL MAQLUQAT"(best of creations) bcoz humans have been give freewill we can either obey him or disobey him unlike animals we can do good deeds or bad deeds.wat would be the point of bringing us on earth if he could not test us on our deeds.
     
  21. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    But Jenyar I was under the impression that Jesus(pbuh) according to the Bible wasnt the Creators only begotten son


    In Psalm 2:7, the Creator said to David(pbuh):

    "...Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee."


    But John 3:16 says(refering to Jesus pbuh):

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten, Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
     
  22. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, in both cases it refers to God raising up for himself a king - his "anointed". But David was not the messiah, he was just a messianic figure. As David was raised up for Isael, Jesus was raised up for the world. It is generally understood that David's Psalms point to the coming messiah, or Christ, which literally means "the anointed one".

    But David is never called "only-begotten" (Gr. monogenes). Such a special relationship is never bestowed on any Davidic king, but was applied to Jesus, the King of kings (Rev. 19:15-16; cf. Ps.2:9).
     
  23. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    haha...although i am not a Jungian, Carl Jung was SPOT on when he said:

    "Religion is a defense against religious experience"
     

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