Pakistan rejects pro-women bill

I was under the oppression that an honor killing was killing someone because the offended your honor(ego)(husbands dont count?)

Dont know anything about that but I do know that Syrian jails are anything but nice

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What I'm saying is that if the courts want to take the decision of what to do with a murderer from the murdered victims family then that would seem to me to be against the Sharia(IMO)

 

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Honor killings like we are talking about are, as Micheal said, perpetrated by male family members against female family members in response to some perceived breech of personal/family honor


Here lots of links

If the family is guilty of the murder how can there be any justice in leaving it up to them to dispense it.

 

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Then indeed I stand corrected although I still say that this happens in domestic violence murders here in the West also just given a different name(husbands murdering spouses etc.....)

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Another good point....but the courts are involved to make sure that these things are just........they just shouldnt take the family out of the equation all together......I imagine it would also be different if a family member is accused of the crime.....but I am no expert on Islamic law


peace to you :m:

 

Those type of murders happen in the countries where honor killings occur as well ie. killings where rage jealousy and just old fashioned abuse are the cause. Honor killings are strickly relating to murders resulting because of a breech of family honor.

 

The Koran: > Women --- 4:1 - "you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girls you may own"

4:34 - "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, --- As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, for sake them in beds apart, and beat them. The if they obey you, take no further action against them."

The Koran is the Word of God to a Muslim man.

Peace be with you, Paul

 

It certainly is possible to categorize acts of murder.

- Killing oneself can be distinguished between killing someone else.
- Killing in self defense can be distinguished between killing in spite.
- Killing ones wife out of jealous rage can be distinguished between paying someone to kill your wife in a cold calculating rage which is different again than being the paid assassin to do the killing.
- Killing in defense of a country can be distinguished between killing someone in conquest of a country.
- Killing ones own female family members for a perceived slight can be distinguished from all of the above and is know as “honour killing”.

I find it worthy of note that an majority Muslim and, theoretically, Islamic based Republic like Pakistan would do LESS to prevent such types of killings and declare that to do otherwise is UN-Islamic!?! Of course that makes us on the outside of Islam think – “What the . . . .!”

We are left wondering why it is a country declaring itself to be an Islamic Republic would do so little to stifle such grotesqueness, as the Pakistani’s have done? I personally am left looking at the treatment of woman in other mainly “Islamic” countries (such as the murdering of a 16 year old mentally deficient child for lewdness in Iran) and think . . . HhhhuH? It must be a reflection on the society which purports to be Islamic. And its obvious that this mentality is here to stay until the societies themselves are changed, as was the case under the dominion of the Europeans and the rapid elimination of Slavery. That's what I find funny about the other thread - the Europeans acheived in short order what Islam couldn't achieve in a over a millenia.

Unfortunately, people (read: GW Bush) feel the need to do that something. Whereas I personally would prefer to let it be as is, even if that is the case. Who am I to say that killing your sister because you didn’t like her new boyfriend is wrong? I think it is, but I can't tell you it is. . . you have to come to that realization yourself.

 

From Pakistan on the overturning of the rape conviction for six men. This woman is so great this is a real tragedy.

She is no doubt what you would want a muslim woman to be surrenderer, unfortunately she has been made such a pariah that she has to rely on american aid organizations for help in her own country

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For those that are interested, their is very informitive book named 'The Trouble With Islam' written by Irshad Manji. A wake-up call for honesty and change

 

She has been in the press here in Norway quite abit recently an amazing woman. Her website the book is now available for free online in arabic and urdu.

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