strgrl Truce? Didn't know we were fighting. I'm glad you've come to terms with your past. Live long and party! Bebelina Have I been misspelling your handle? How rude of me. I must have assumed 'Babe' instead of 'Bebe.' Personally, I like 'Babelina' because the name gives hint that you might be a 'babe.' So are you? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Banshee, that was utterly beautiful. Your son is most gifted. I hope he is being melodramatic but I also know that such words can be true when one reaches that state of mind. My youth was very much wasted on negativity. I hated the world that I was born into. Don´t jump ahead now, my family was and is wonderful, truly love all of my family. But it was the rest, the stupidity and senselessness of the world. I thought death was better. Needless to say I enjoy life a tad more now Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Q, your replies reek of fearful denial Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
MuliBoy Q, your replies reek of fearful denial I loathe the irrational. I fear nothing. I hope he is being melodramatic but I also know that such words can be true when one reaches that state of mind. My youth was very much wasted on negativity. I hated the world that I was born into. Don´t jump ahead now, my family was and is wonderful, truly love all of my family. But it was the rest, the stupidity and senselessness of the world. I thought death was better. I see you share my concerns. Judging from your remarks, it appears you've been there. I obviously can't begin to comprehend what you may have gone through but I hope things have turned around for you. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You see Q, now you HAVE met people that have considered suicide. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
So, does (Q) have a charmed life or is he the exception to the rule. I once heard that optimism is a psychological dysfunction tho' I can neither confirm nor deny this. (That said, terminally happy people get right on my tits.) I think most people must have black days when they feel there is no hope. Even a single episode in their lives. I cant remember if I'd rather have been dead than go thru some of mine, I'm sure the thought must have crossed my mind. I agree also with some of the earlier posts. Puberty is a hell of a time to get inspiration. I wrote reems of crap about the joys of woe. I think Banshees' son did good and I disagree that it's indicative of anything so dark as the perception sited above. If he was asked to write about marshmallows it would be a lot different.
Bebelina You see Q, now you HAVE met people that have considered suicide. Not true. I've met no people here. Reading a few posts on a message board does not constitute a 'meeting.' I may have gained some insight into those with alleged suicidal tendencies, but that's about it. bbcboy So, does (Q) have a charmed life or is he the exception to the rule. I once heard that optimism is a psychological dysfunction tho' I can neither confirm nor deny this. (That said, terminally happy people get right on my tits.) I think your confusing happiness with success. It only works when the success you've planned for works out to some degree of magnitude, that which you yourself must decide. One may not necessarily be happy regardless of their success. I think most people must have black days when they feel there is no hope. I can understand that if one works for the BBC as your handle suggests. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I agree people can have 'black days,' if that is what you're describing as their mood as opposed to the weather. But why would you feel there is no hope. That's a ludicrous statement coming from someone living in one of most wealthiest countries in the world. Travel to a third world country, you'll quickly realize that your feeling of no hope has no value. Even a single episode in their lives. This short concise statement speaks volumes. Are you stating that you've given up on life simply because one single incident has left you feeling utterly hopeless? Loss of a loved one? Loss of your job or home perhaps? Granted, these types of personal tragedies can take their toll on a persons worth and esteem, but to give it all up and toss in the towel is simply not an acceptable decision imo. Are you one of those people that considers the world owes you a life? Do you sit back and wait for a silver platter to be served to you all life's trimmings? If so, then yes, a single incident can leave you feeling rather hopeless. But to someone that takes initiative, plans out their short and long term goals, executes the actions necessary to make it happen all the while following up diligently to make sure everything goes smoothly, views a setback as nothing more than another challenge to overcome. It's all hard work. That is the price one must pay to be successful. Financial or otherwise, the way in which you perceive that success will ultimately determine your happiness. Of course, there are many that are completely happy with no success whatsoever. If he was asked to write about marshmallows it would be a lot different. That was my question. Did the teacher suggest to write about suicide or suggest to write about marshmallows? If suicide, I would question the teacher. If marshmallows... well, you know the rest.
This post is woefully late, but All sucked dry. Down to the very last breath. Q Tried to get it out of my system, All the stuff I've built up inside, And I shared with the world and then found; You don't care, so from your typ I'll hide. Empathic response Such a human trait.
Just then the phone rang... ...I never had the nerve to make the final cut. Again, QPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! bbcboy I once heard that optimism is a psychological dysfunction tho' I can neither confirm nor deny this. The natural condition of the human mind is mild depression. Admittedly, living in a war or famine torn country is life threatening, but that doesn't preclude one who lives in a first world country from having forces acting upon them that can in sufficient concentration can bring about a state of mind where suicide can appear a very viable option. While it invariably isn't, things can look much different at the time.
Esp The natural condition of the human mind is mild depression. You're right! I've spent time in Britain. I can understand why one would be depressed all the time. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! forces acting upon them that can in sufficient concentration can bring about a state of mind where suicide can appear a very viable option. Sorry, don't agree. That's the cowards way out. But at least I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You come up with a scenario where suicide is a very viable option and we'll see if you're convincing. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Q, you sem to be neglecting some important words in esp's post. Nowhere does it say that it actually is a viable option it just seems that way. And here's a scenario: 1) Terminally ill patient, constant pain, so drugged up he's no longer really alive. Still a coward? or this: 2) Person born into a life which closely resembles hell, never stood a chance. They make it through childhood, but end up with no family, no education, and no way out within his means. He's a drain on society and a burden to anyone who knows him. His death would be a favor to just about everyone, and the torment that his life causes him would be over. Still a coward? As someone who is currently in a mental struggle over whether or not I should go on living, I know first hand that it SEEMS very much like the only way out. Luckily I think too much otherwise I'd have gone through with it. You seem to be someone who just can't understand that life can suck at times, and I feel sorry for you. Personally I don't think you could deal with half the crap a lot of the people who kill themselves put up with.
Pzzaboy Terminally ill patient, constant pain, so drugged up he's no longer really alive. Still a coward? Although there is much debate as to whether a terminally ill patient should be relieved of his pain by the taking of his life, this case does not fall within the criteria of the discussion. Person born into a life which closely resembles hell, never stood a chance. They make it through childhood, but end up with no family, no education, and no way out within his means. He's a drain on society and a burden to anyone who knows him. His death would be a favor to just about everyone, and the torment that his life causes him would be over. Still a coward? I don't think this case falls within the parameters of the discussion as well, but let's look at it anyway. You have just described the lives of millions of people on the planet. The magnitude of their plight is unknown to us for we have plenty. Their existence could be considered a huge drain and burden on the society in which they live. Their staggering courage exists on a daily basis as they attempt to subsist on very little or nothing. The children die by the thousands every day. We, the very wealthiest amongst the worlds population, provide aid to these people to make their daily scourge a little more bearable. Thoughts of suicide probably cross their minds everyday, but they go on living because they know suicide is not the answer. Even those with their meager existences cling to life as long as they can. You make it sound like we should be handing them cyanide pills instead. As someone who is currently in a mental struggle over whether or not I should go on living, I know first hand that it SEEMS very much like the only way out. Luckily I think too much otherwise I'd have gone through with it. I don't think luck had anything to do with it. You simply realized that life is worth living and that suicide is not an alternative. No big revelation here. You seem to be someone who just can't understand that life can suck at times, and I feel sorry for you. I understand many things. It is you that doesn't understand that life doesn't suck, no matter what happens. And I don't feel sorry for you. Personally I don't think you could deal with half the crap a lot of the people who kill themselves put up with. You haven't been following along, have you? I know I can deal with any situation and make it turn out to my advantage. I've done it many times before. As I stated, a set back is little more than another challenge. The set back could be huge, but certainly not anything worth dying for and certainly is something that can be changed. It may be a tough go, but a go nonetheless. Giving up on hope and life is simply not an alternative.
For the record, please don't presume to tell me what I realized about my own life. Especially on a topic like this. Currently my life is not worth living, and no great revalation is to follow, the reason that I still life is because my death would place an undue burden on my family. And if you'll read the context of my post you'll see that I clearly said that it only SEEMS that there is no way out. I know my way out. Your life may not suck, but again please don't presume to tell me whether or not mine does until you've lived it. And while I agree with you that a setback may be huge or miniscule, yes each can be overcome by anyone. But can you deal with 10 or 15 setback in a short time, or are you used to the minor ones that come occasionally? And I don't think that I'm the only one that thinks this, you really shouldn't dismiss peoples beliefs about life and death as if you were god himself giving the one true answer. Your best guess is just as good as ours, and probably just as wrong too.
Pzzaboy Your life may not suck, but again please don't presume to tell me whether or not mine does until you've lived it. I don't need to live your life to understand human nature and the world in which we live. You presume that your situation is somehow different than others. Overall and with some minor subtleties, most peoples problems are quite similar. It is entirely possible your life could have been the same as mine. And while I agree with you that a setback may be huge or miniscule, yes each can be overcome by anyone. But can you deal with 10 or 15 setback in a short time, or are you used to the minor ones that come occasionally? 10 or 15 setbacks in a short time? Sounds very much like an average week to me. How about a couple of massive setbacks? How about losing everything you've worked for? And not just once but maybe twice or three times? Without getting too deep into my personal life, I can tell you that I've seen rags to riches a couple of times. The first time I had lost everything was pretty tough. I was young and had thought I'd made it and nothing could stop me. I was invincible! Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was left destitute. Not once did thoughts of suicide entertain my pea brain however. My only thoughts were how soon I'd be back on top. So far, I've lost everything twice and am well off once again. I started with nothing and from there, simply removed the financial burdens of my life in order to free up the time to enjoy it. Money can't buy happiness, but it sure helps. And I don't think that I'm the only one that thinks this, you really shouldn't dismiss peoples beliefs about life and death as if you were god himself giving the one true answer. Your best guess is just as good as ours, and probably just as wrong too. And here is where you and I differ. I don't think about my death. It may happen today, tomorrow or whenever. But one thing is for certain, it will happen entirely outside of my control. I only think about that which is within my control. Is that wrong? I know my way out. And I know mine. I plan to live forever however, nature may deem otherwise. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
No, my life and my troubles may not be entirely new to this world, my story could probably be told a thousand times over, but it's my story. It wouldn't phase me if I met my exact double the day before he killed himself, because that's him. If someone ends their life all it shows me is that in the long run I was stronger than him/her nothing more, but I don't think any less of that person. Each and every person has thier weakness, and for some the threshhold for giving in is slighly lower. Bottom line, yes we're all going to die. Some people jump the gun a little for whatever reason. Some people live happy lives after accepting their impending death. And some people can't come to grips with their own mortality, and pray to live forever. -Millions long fo immortality who don't know what to do on a rainy Sunday afternoon. -Susan Ertz
And some people can't come to grips with their own mortality, and pray to live forever. I don't pray. That's because I know my mortality. And that can make all the difference in the world. I once read somewhere that "After you die, It's party time for all the little wormies." Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
