The Most Inspiring Speech Of My Lifetime!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Brutus1964, Jan 20, 2005.

  1. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    You're being sarcastic again, right? Bush is a worse flip-flopper than he accused Kerry of being.

    To soccer moms he's pro AWB to the NRA he's anti AWB, to his religious base he's Pro anti-fag amendment, to the rest of America he's anti-anti-fag amendment. And don’t get me started on Iraq! He had WMD, ok no he didn't have WMD, We went into GET the WMD, eer no we went in because he had alqueda ties. . . er no, now it was because we wanted to bring freedom to Iraq! OH wait, yeah, no, really this time, the whole war was about freedom, seriously! I'll be lucky if I can make it out of these next 4 years without getting whiplash! I can't tell if we're fighting Eurasia or East Asia at this point, it's nuts!

    Frankly I have trouble believing that Bush actually stands firmly on any issue other than that he thinks he's never wrong and is always consistent, that one hasn't seemed to change, but at least it lets us keep laughing!


    Frankly I have trouble beleiving that Bush actualy stands firmly on any issue other than that he thinks he's never wrong and is always consistant, that one hasn't seemed to change, but at least it lets us keep laughing!
     
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  3. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    The twin towers were bombed while Clinton was in office. Back to recent history class with you!
     
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  5. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Do you mean to imply that the Nazis and Soviet Union would have peacefully coexisted? Because honestly from what I saw that wasn't the case. . . oh by the way, did you also forget that it was the Soviet Union that won the European Theater of WWII, and Not the US? The US played a relatively small part in that portion of the war.
     
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  7. Brutus1964 We are not alone! Registered Senior Member

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    The Soviet Union never would have gotten close to Berlin if it wasn't for the United States. Hitler could no longer hold his eastern front because he had to pull so many recourses to defend against us from the west.

    No I am not being sarcastic. Sorry Mystech and Cole Grey. I still enjoy your post's and I respect everyone in sciforums, but I am Conservative. I live in one of the most reddest states in the union, and I do like George W. Bush. Does that mean I agree with everything he does? No. I wish he would be more conservative on the spending side of things. I wish he would defend our borders better. I would have liked to see us be tougher in Iraq, and I would like to see us put presure on Pakistan to allow us more access to get Bin Laden. But, overall I really like George W. Bush. I think he is the right President at the right time.
     
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  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You don't care that he lied to us about the reason for going to war in Iraq?

    That, in spite of dire warnings, he spent more than 40% of his time before 9/11 on vacation?

    The consensus among TV pundits is that Bush gave a good speech, but one that had no connection with reality.
     
  9. top mosker Ariloulaleelay Registered Senior Member

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    And Hitler was right for 1935 Germany, Stalin for the post revolution Socialist Republic, and Ho Chi Minh for a toppled democracy in Vietnam.

    When will people start looking for ideals such as freedom and liberty instead of bowing to a man?
     
  10. Brutus1964 We are not alone! Registered Senior Member

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    To lie implies that he had foreknowledge that there were no WMD's. At the time the world believed Saddam had them. President Clinton, Tony Blair, the entire UN Security Council, even France and Russia thought they had them. So you cannot say the Bush lied. There were multiple reasons that taking Saddam out was justified. He was not complying with the 1st Gulf War cease fire agreement. He defied multiple UN resolutions. He did not cooperate with UN arms inspectors. He routinely fired on our aircraft in the no fly zone. He supported Palestinian suicide bombers and their families. He harbored terrorists. He was a threat to the region and the stability of our oil supplies. Even if he had no WMD's at the time of our invasion he could of acquired them very quickly. He may very well of had them and shipped them out of buried them. WMD's was just one of the reasons. We were more that justified in taking him out.

    When The President is on vacation he is not really on vacation. He is just not at the White House. Everything he can do at the WH he can do at his ranch in Crawford.
     
  11. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    First of all Brutus if you ACTUALLY know what conservative really is, you wouldn't support this administration, because I'm a conservative, I voted for bush in 2000, and I have been deceived by this present administration. And I find that I'm not the only one, that can actually comprehend what is to be a conservative, and this administration is not!.

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  12. Brutus1964 We are not alone! Registered Senior Member

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    Godless

    I fully understand why many conservatives are upset with Bush and the present Republican controlled congress. I too would love to see us get back to true conservative principles. That is one reason I was very heartened at Bush's speech. Every ounce of it was pure conservatism. Now lets hope that he follows through on what he said.

    The problem with the congress today is it has a Republican majority but it is definitely not a conservative majority. The RINO's are in charge. We shall have to see what this new congress does. I am hopeful that since Bush does not have to face reelection that he will push through more conservative ideas this term. Only time will tell.

    One of the most important issues right now is judges. We know that George Bush will appoint the right kind of judges that will transform the courts for many years to come. Seeing Rehnquist at the inauguration tells us that Bush will be appointing a Supreme Court justice or two very soon. If Kerry won it would have been a disaster because we cannot have a conservative judge replaced by a liberal one. The balance of the court would swing way to the left if we lose even one conservative justice.
     
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  13. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    but they werent destroyed, that was more of a warning shot

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    To lie implies that he had foreknowledge that there were no WMD's. At the time the world believed Saddam had them. President Clinton, Tony Blair, the entire UN Security Council, even France and Russia thought they had them.

    Then I have a very simple question, why didn’t France, Russia, China, Chile, Angola, etc. Vote to invade Iraq? Simple because none of them actually believed that Saddam posed a threat to anyone. This was a hyped up lie, it was a lie and we know it was a lie. For instance we know that Bush talked about the Yellow cake from Niger, when previous to that the CIA told him the information was not credible…alas a lie. Plus according to the UN in 1998 Iraq’s WMD programs were 98% destroyed…give me a break.

    There were multiple reasons that taking Saddam out was justified.

    I have yet to see one…

    He was not complying with the 1st Gulf War cease fire agreement.

    In which sense?

    He defied multiple UN resolutions.

    Israel has defied more then 60…shall we invade?

    He did not cooperate with UN arms inspectors.

    He did when it counted, let’s not forget that prior to war Saddam let the arms inspectors in, and guess what…they found no WMD…the administration said the inspectors were ineffective and taking too long…but in the end of the day there was nothing to be found.

    He routinely fired on our aircraft in the no fly zone.

    That wasn’t UN sponsored, the US was violating his air space…

    He supported Palestinian suicide bombers and their families.

    You support Israel…same shit from the same coin. Also we know that Saudi regime has given millions as well…where’s their invasion?

    He harbored terrorists.

    Abu Nidal…well let’s invade…frankly Pakistan is harbouring Osama…where’s that invasion?

    He was a threat to the region and the stability of our oil supplies.

    He didn’t even control 1/3 of his country…how was he a threat to anyone else? After 1991 Saddam realized that his imperialist dreams were over, and instead of trying to be Emir of Arabia, he just wanted to get stinking rich.

    Even if he had no WMD's at the time of our invasion he could of acquired them very quickly.

    Then why didn’t he genius?

    He may very well of had them and shipped them out of buried them. WMD's was just one of the reasons. We were more that justified in taking him out.

    Yes…oil…and spreading the PNAC doctrine to maintain the Arab Façade, stop being such a sheeple.

    When The President is on vacation he is not really on vacation. He is just not at the White House. Everything he can do at the WH he can do at his ranch in Crawford.

    Yah…like choke on a pretzel.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    One of the most important issues right now is judges.

    because that's how these fools get selected.

    I too would love to see us get back to true conservative principles.

    yea, the Homeland über alles ©1984 thing gets old, doesn't it?... you might want to check your skull for the tiny hole left by the implant process. I hear a small electric shock like a taser can sometimes short them out.

    A heavy dose of mescaline works too.
     
  16. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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  17. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    This guy really nails it.

    When I look around America's barrooms, church suppers, swap meets and strip clubs, I see that "the American people" like the way things are going. Or at least half of them do. They like World Championship Wrestling and Confederate flags and flat screen television and they like the idea of an American empire. "The people" don't give a rat's bunghole about social programs or the poor or other races or the planet or animals or anything else. They LIKE cheap gas and making life tough for queers. They LIKE chasing Thanksgiving Day Xmas sales. And when fascism comes, they will like that, too.

    Moral values of course had jack to do with anything. What those people were voting for a couple of months ago was hatred of other human beings culturally unlike themselves, particularly gays and lesbians, but also non-born-again Christians. That's why Republicans got constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage on the ballot in eleven states. They suspected the hate was there to be exploited. And it was, passing easily in nine of the eleven states. It was always about hating those who are different. Hating "the other.". .......

    ....I do not have to tell informed readers that the rest of the world has long been repulsed by this sort of American grotesquery, this darkly provincial, arrogant American spectacle. But some of the world still has difficulty admitting to what it observes: that Americans, have become belligerent, mean, and downright dangerous to world security and stability. For example, my English cousins, perhaps in an effort to be nice, tell me, "We don't hate you, but we hate your government." They echo many Europeans when they do so. Which is disingenuous on their part because, despite our crooked elections, government here is still elected by at least a plurality, and in many cases a majority, of voters. So you cannot piss on the elected government without hitting the people who elected it. Especially considering that a majority strongly support any and all of our government's wars.

    Nevertheless, except for Israel perhaps, the world wants to hate America. Common sense tells them they should---hell, we're out of control. But unlike Americans, Europeans seem to have a difficult time letting themselves write off hundreds of millions of other people in one fell swoop. So they tell themselves that our morally corrupt administration is to blame for it all. BLOOOONNNK! Sorry folks, but no matter how you skin this woolybooger, our clown prince was elected with about half the popular vote, and he retains the open support of at least half the public. So if you hate Bush's policies, then you hate the 140 million Americans who continue to solidly back his policies. At the very least, you must hate about half of us. Hell, we hate'em too. Quit feeling so bad and admit that Americans have willingly elected a murderous gang of fascist pissbrains. Now doesn't that feel better?


    http://www.counterpunch.com/bageant01082005.html
     
  18. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Heh, nation "split" whether Bush is a uniter or a divider? Wouldn't a 50% vote automatically mean he's a divider, as opposed to normal polls having to reach towards 100%?

    - N
     
  19. Preacher_X Registered Senior Member

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    is this a complete joke or what? :bugeye:

    what was America built on? what is its foundation? America started off as a place accidently disovered and then inhabitated by countless CRIMINALS from Europe. after the inhabitants were slaughtred, raped and looted the Europeans settled.

    your countrys foundations are rape, murder, ethnic cleansing and so on.

    if that is your policy then why dont you stop your support for so many dictators why is it spening hundreds of millions EVERY week on an illegal war when people in Africa are dying literally at the rate of hundreds of thousands a week.

    people are going permantly going blind because they cant afford 50p vaccines and America is lying about wanting to liberate people and help them.

    does iraq want that liberation and freedom from America? have the people of Fallujah who as we speak now waiting in hour long queues to get their fingerprints and ID cards to enter their own city, got their freedom.?
     
  20. Brutus1964 We are not alone! Registered Senior Member

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    Preacher X

    In Iraq 80% of the population have registered to vote. They may top our own election in voter turnout. Yes the Iraqi people want freedom.

    The people in Africa are starving because leftist and islamofacist regimes are killing thier own people. No aid that America sends will ever get to it's intended targets. The currupt governments will take it. They also take any medicine we send and sell it into the black market.

    This country was founded on freedom. We escaped the cesspool of Europe and came here and created the greatest country ever conceived. America is freedom's greatest hope in the world. America ended slavery, the only places in the world that still has slavery is Africa. Isn't that ironic. And it's not white Europeans or Americans engaging in it.

    If the war in Iraq is illegal as you say, why don't you go to the Whitehouse and do a citizens arrest. Lets see how far you get.
     
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  21. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    Freedom for who? Native Americans? Blacks? Women? America was founded on what it still believes today.......Step on and exploit and take advantage of the little man to get what you want.....You say America ended slavery yet there is still Affirmative Action right? Why is that needed then? Why were blacks in the 60's still drinking out of "colored water fountains"? sitting in the back of buses? Other countries are as free as Americans with alot less crime and corruption and arent nearly as hated throughout the world
     
  22. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    DOUBLE POST SORRY :bugeye:
     
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  23. Undecided Banned Banned

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    I'm still waiting Brutus...don't be such a brute...
     

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