Invasion?!?!?!

Discussion in 'History' started by Preacher_X, Dec 13, 2004.

  1. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    Which of you two is more ignorant of history? Both Italy and Greece were invaded in World War II, let alone the many earlier occasions.
    One candidate for never invaded is Japan, at least according to Japanes legend.
     
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  3. Preacher_X Registered Senior Member

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    firstly im 15 and havent lived through much history and the other guy thinks he knows everything. next you dont take history in year 10 where im from (UK)

    and thanks a lot for your answers.
     
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  5. a_ht Registered Senior Member

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    Has Canada ever been invaded?
     
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  7. teguy Registered Senior Member

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  8. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    Yes. First by the French, then by the British, then by the US in 1812, later by assorted Irish republicans.

    Preacher X: the fact that you don't have to take history at school doesn't stop you studying it yourself.
     
  9. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    what about cuba, the yanks tryed to kill castro, but never invaded, although they currently control guintanemo bay, but im nto sure if that counts, their loophole is that its nto part of yankland
     
  10. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    You may not have intended it that way, but you are coming across as pretty hard on PreacherX. Ignorance is no sin unless you wallow in it. PreacherX is trying to acquire some knowledge here; and at fifteen embarking on a self study program of history may not be top of the agenda. Shouldn't we be encouraging rather than discouraging?
     
  11. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    I thought the koreans tried to invade it in the 1500's? Not to mention the americans in WW2(yes they did invade just before VJ day)
    It doesnt make a difference if you take history you only learn about the world wars really not a lot else, and history is a difficult thing to know about unless you have a huge interest in warfare or something, its understandable that you might not know certain things.

    Countries never invaded? I doubt theres many and if there are any its most likely a recently formed country, or one that was colonized and then decided it wanted independance or was a breakaway state from a larger country, so technically not invaded in its own right but that all depends on what you define as invasion, apparently even greenlands been invaded, new zealand may be the only one.

    EDIT: Fiji? Soloman islands? Tonga?
     
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  12. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    The american-Spanish war of 1898 was fought- among other places- in Cuba. The spaniards themselves invaded it a few hundred years earler.

    I think that Preacher X- and his not very knowledgeable rival on the net- would do better to have a look at sites that feature history rather than relying on other people like us to fight their battles for them.
     
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  13. a_ht Registered Senior Member

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    Since canada was formed in 1867, none of your examples apply.
     
  14. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    Touche!
    However...
    The present Dominion of Canada was formed in 1867. The Frenchowned area ceded to Brtain in the ei8ghteenth century was also known as Canada. The various provincial governments- including Upper and Lower Canada were there before 1867.
    The last Fenian invasion was in 1870, 'though it may be an exaggeration to call it an invasion as there were only a few hundred people.
     
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  15. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    Fiji? british colonialists
    Soloman islands? WW2
    Tonga? not sure
     
  16. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    To my knowledge fiji hasnt been invaded since it was colonized, im pretty sure tonga hasnt either, but what about new zealand? Colonized yes like everywhere but invaded? Not that i recall.
     
  17. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    nope, no invasions, except when the yanks tried to bring that nuke sub into our waters, greenpeace was out their in flocks

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  18. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    ahh greenpeace, my hippy days are still ahead of me yet, shave the whales and all.

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    Well we've found a country that was never invaded, now how about a return challange? Is there a country that has never lost a war?(naturally they must have participated in one).
     
  19. Fenris Wolf Banned Banned

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    As I said, New Zealand cannot realistically be invaded unless Australia is first. Strategically speaking, it would be a logistical nightmare... unless the invader happens to be partial to mutton. There is no point of taking pride in never having been invaded when one is a member of a nation which offers no incentive to do so.

    One must take into account relative gain when speaking of invasion - speaking of unimportant south sea islands isn't really conducive to serious discussion.

    Not this would really rate as one, in its latter stages. Oh, and as an aside... Cuba. Bay of Pigs. A fiasco, but an invasion nonetheless.
     
  20. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    What is colonisation but invasion, except for the first human settlersAfter all, there were wars with the Maoris. I agree, you could argue that New Zealand wasn't invaded because New Zealand as a state didn't exist until after that, but the place and the people wee there.
    Anyway, merry [or- if you share my opinion of it- bearable] christmas.
     
  21. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry I was a bit short earlier: even so, rather than arguing with someone who is completely ignorant and won't admit it, you'd be better off looking at some actual history. I'll start a thread in a few days time on the most interesting history books: not books that are necessarily completely accurate, but books which help people to see the nature of the past and how we learn about it.
     
  22. Lemming3k Insanity Gone Mad Registered Senior Member

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    Well we can guess the reason why some south sea islands havnt been invaded, since it would be fruitless, but nonetheless that is besides the point.
    Im sure cuba has had many attempted invasions, its a caribbean island after all and there was a lot of money to be made around there 500-400 years ago.
    Of course, i was hoping the person asking the question would clarify invasion but to be honest i didnt wish to include colonization since that happens almost everywhere at some point.

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  23. is he talking about ancient or modern countries?

    Italy has been invaded as recently as WWII, by the Allies when it was part of the Axis Powers, & same war, by Germany to shore up its defense of 'Fortress Europe' after the fall of Mussolini.

    Greece by Italy, during WWII

    does he have access to a computer? if he does, tell him to use it & let him do his own research
     

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