First of all, a primer, you be the judge: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=803075 So, who do you think is behind this website? is it:
It's info is far too transparent and it isn't slick enough to be the CIA. Also if the CIA were to attempt such a disinformation campaign they would have done a much better job.
I don't think so I think it is run by islamist friendly folks, I used to read it a year ago and then the stories they ran were much more probable(which wouldn't make sense if it was a CIA operation) but it seems that they are struggling to find good stories of late or a less ethical editor has taken over.
That is not a "sophisticated" web site, it is nothing that I could not put up myself. It is a few people making up news and throwing in news from other sources, as well. You read to much into the goofy ramblings of Jihadunspun. I kept track of it a month ago, and added up the claims of killing U.S. soldiers. If you add then up everyday throughout the entire site, it added up to like 120,000 american deaths by now.
botnh sides are twisting the truth, but i wolud rather be decieved by someone who is not killing civilians than an american
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in all wars civilians die, yes. but it is the fact that this is an unjust war that makes those daaths more tragic
More tragic than civilians being killed in great numbers by their own government under the Baathists? Those can't even be explained away as 'peripheral' casualties.
"both sides are twisting the truth, but i wolud rather be decieved by someone who is not killing civilians than an american", vslayer Some Iraqi insurgents have specifically targeted civilians in order to spread fear for support of Americans. Spreading fear is not unlike the Baathist's behavior under Saddam, and many of the insurgent element are the same members who committed atrocities under that regime. Other insurgents are not unlike most american soldiers, where civilians are injured by being in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Neither those who run both Jihadunspun and the American media have any direct connection to killing civilians, so I am not sure were your statement comes from. Legitimate media, however, actually reports based on facts, and Jihadunspun makes claims of the impossible. Your need to see anyones blood run proves to me either your complete ignorance or the fact that you like to see others reactions. Judging by what I have seen, I suspect the former.....
Towards, America has invaded a country and turned the country upside down all on bullshit excuses and lies. dont kid yourslef, the Resistence in Iraq is not a bunch of foriegn fighters and "terrorist" who get a buzz out of killing people for no reason. after everything that has happened, the resistence is now just normal Iraqis who want their country back.
"dont kid yourslef, the Resistence in Iraq is not a bunch of foriegn fighters and "terrorist" who get a buzz out of killing people for no reason.", Preacher X Did I say they were? Some are fighting a legitimate guerrilla war, without a doubt. Others are targeting the civilian infrastructure to make the population suffer as much as possible in order to create a hatred towards the U.S. I would argue some, though small in numbers, do enjoy sawing off the heads of some civilians. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi uses the "cause" as an excuse to carry out his pleasure in murder, do not give him that much credit. There is really no other reason to murder, for instance, a human rights worker other than for the pleasure. It does not help their cause at all. "America has invaded a country and turned the country upside down all on bullshit excuses and lies." Preacher X I have never attempted to make Iraq a justified war, but to the contrary I have argued against it. Bush and his cabinet should be thrown in prison for their actions. I have merely argued against attempts to criminalize the entire U.S. army, as many have tried to do. Iraq is a nation that was unside down long before the U.S. occupation and will be long after. Iraq is a nation that should never have existed and certainly does not want democracy. Brutality is all that could keep the nation in one piece, which is why Saddam came to power. I feel an invasion would be justified if I felt that the Iraqis wanted the U.S. presence, and extreme violence was not the requirement for changing that nation. It is hopeless situation, quite frankly.
In my opinion JUS takes the word of any Insurgent and treats it as truth because they consider it to be 1st hand knowledge. They themselves admit that their stats my be inaccurate. Does Fox news do this? So what big deal they are wrong about some things.......So is American Press.......So what they use propoganda......So does the American Press...I do know that JUS was the 1st news source (and the only at that time I admit) to break the story about Abu Grahib and Jessica Lynch.....both when the American Press was covering it up. I think that the truth lies somewhere between the two (american press and JUS) :m:
about the 120,000 deaths; i am also critical of that, however there are a large number of unreported deaths by the americans, because they have got foreigners to do the fighting in return for citizenship, when some poor hermit from south america dies, there is no-one with the ability to complain, if any even know who he is. its jsut like the buffalo soldiers of the 19th century really. the americans claim that the families of the dead merecenaries are getting the citizenship the mercenaries wer trying to get, however, i doubt the americans even record the names af any soldier that is not one af their own
read the history of Iraq since the Bath revolution till now and maybe then you'll see what America has done to Iraq.
people at least had order under saddams rule, now they are out of their homes, out of their jobs, their cities destroyed and a 1.5 times higher chance of death than under saddams rule, thats not including the fighters who are dying to protect the future of their country
