Russia

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Calvin, Dec 14, 2004.

  1. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    Can someone tell me about russian politics?
     
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  3. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Putin is the cszar.
    Communists are pissed off because of it -> they being out of power and are afraid of the new power.
    Nobody believes in democracy.
    All are for themselves.
    Free press is a joke.
    It's okay to be rich if you don't mess with the politics (impossible if you want to get really rich) or support the cszar.

    Anything in particular?
    Russia is just over the border where I am.
     
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  5. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    How do you get to be cszar? is it like a king?
     
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  7. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    It's a name derived from "Caesar" (sp) which early russian emperors took as their title, because thought themselves to be the continuers of the East Roman Empire (after the fall of it (Constantinople) in 1453). In later years the leader of the country changed from a communist party chief to president (or whatever fancy new name), but it always in its' core remained and remains what it always has been -> emperor, caesar, ruler.
    Most russians like to be governed by a strong hand and they see that as the most natural and sensable form of government. They had a little try of democracy after the fall of USSR, but nobody except criminals, journalists and some artists liked it.
     
  8. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    why was that?
    what kind of different laws do they have than say, canada, or wherever you live?
     
  9. Yuriy Registered Senior Member

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    "They had a little try of democracy after the fall of USSR, but nobody except criminals, journalists and some artists liked it."
    And here I lost the point: If people do not like democracy, should not it be so for Russia - no democracy, rule of czar! Is not voice of majority people the best expression of Democracy?
     
  10. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. Most common russians I know see it as a western culture (the enemy) oppression.
    They don't want democracy.. or to be more precise.. it's a strange and foreign creature to them and they have no experience of using it. They can't successfuly govern a country through democracy, because they have no idea how it works. Not the outer law core, but the principles of democracy, they are alien to them. The same level alien but quite different how it is to Islam countries.

    The verdict of the common people of Russia is that they want a strong hand to govern them. You rightfully said that (now my words ->) in some twisted way it really is the rule of the people (demos cratos) and the people want to be ruled. They don't want a parlament with it's many "stupid" parties, etc.
     
  11. Yuriy Registered Senior Member

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    Dear Avatar,
    You are talking and thinking like ... Cold War Era propagandists.
    Do you know that Russian had the democratic ruling in their cities long before Europe started using this method of governing (in IX-XII centuries)? The origins of Russian hate to Western Democracy are much deeper than your primitive explanations pictured...
     
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  12. esd Registered Senior Member

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    Here's an interesting bit I grabbed from a 'net site:

    After the fall of Communism, the economy collapsed and US oil interests moved right in to lay their hands on the potentially vital Russian oil fields. They operated via the CIA through Moscow street thugs who grabbed the properties when the state privatized them, looted everything in sight and got their friends in the US to loan them huge sums of cash…which they also stole and stashed in Swiss and Israeli banks. Putin came into power when the CIA’s Yeltsin drank himself into a permanent stupor. Putin, an ex-KGB man, is not stupid and is not a drunk. He stopped the takeover of Russian oil, broke up the Russian/US cartels and caused spastic colon in boardrooms all over the United States and England. The US could not tolerate well-heeled and generous friends of the Republicans being deprived of their profits so they embarked on a clandestine campaign to discredit Putin and get their hands back on the Russian oil-producing areas. The CIA ran the show. They overthrew the government of Georgia and put their man in power...

    Ukraine is probably the next piece of this strategy.

    Basically there is currently a struggle for power in russian politics between authoritarian imperialists and 'democratic' (plutocratic just like the US) corporate thieves. So far Putin and his team seem to be winning.

    And personally, I think that dictatorial tendencies are a far lesser crime than outright kleptocracy - like the one that US and international corporations engage in all over the world, including USA.
     
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  13. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever really. I'm not russian. If you can, then explain better.
    I just say what I see from my observations.
     
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  14. BlueMoose Guest

    Well, Avatar got some good points. I quess normal Russian people just wants to work through their daily lives and not to think so far to the future. They just want somebody handle the situation. What can you expect after allmost hundred of years Bolshevik oppression ? I see the Russia is now in some ways like USA (wild west=wild east) couple of hundred years ago, everything was for sale and business before anything else, mafia running wild, and now Putin trys to keep it together as ESD previously posted. They have too much corruption at the moment to maintain "fair democracy". If Putin can maintain status quo, then maybe the next generation is heading towards "real democracy", whatever that is.
     
  15. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Russian politics today= Putin...
     
  16. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    What are they prohibited from doing in russia?
     
  17. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    What are they prohibited from doing in russia?

    They arent prohibited from doing anything , in theory their laws are simular to other democratic countries, its a free country just under alot of stress.
     
  18. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    I think the problem is exactly that they're not prohibited from doing anything at all. The gov't itself doesn't see itself limited by much.
     
  19. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    very true. but putin is doing better than anyone I can think of to replace him... maybe some firm control will do some good? as for the lack of laws ... I think a better police force is needed hopefully someone will look into it, although corruption has fallen dramatically in the past 3 years
     
  20. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    so all drugs are legal? Do they smoke alot of pot there?:m:
     
  21. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    Drugs are illegal but people break the law and due to the bad state of the law enforcement , people get away with it.

    P.S if you need to go somwhere to smoke pot I suggest Amsterdam :m:

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  22. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    I suggest BC. Cops are super leniant because of the questionable laws (prohibition? how silly can we get). That and we won the canabis cup again this year. Woohoo, love potion #1!!!!! :m:

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  23. Calvin Teach the americans!! Registered Senior Member

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    Oh yeah, Odinism rules!!! Hahahaha!!!
     

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