Space Bending Conspiracy Theory

No time to read every response here just now, but I'm wondering -- the space around the black hole would bend, right? So how does that affect the light trajectory? Or I am talking rot here and should I get my delirious ass into bed?

 

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Oh, and Kaiduorkhon, I see what you mean about the moniker, but maybe this foetus person meant it in the "baby in the oven" sort of way -- you know, human "on the rise", humanity evolving... or something. Baked, not fried.

 

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http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schw.shtml

there you go pixel. this shows all, and with good graphics to help.

 

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White Mongol.

I finally got around to fire up the computer again, and I read your request re; does Albert Einstein have a midle name ? I was quite sure he did not. But to make sure, I checked my biography of Einstein by Ronal W. Clarc.(521 pages) and there is no mention of a midle name. I double checked in the Encyclopedia Britanica, and again no midle name. However his first son was born 14 May 1904 and was named Albert Hans Einstein. This may have cofused some body.

Re < einstein.periphery.cc> I red it (most of it) but it was getting late and past my bedtime. I intend to read it over again when I.m fully concious one day. Meanwhile I really dont have any critisism or comment other than it was interesting reading and it contained some points that I have never thought of before. BTW I'm not the apolo who is a world traveler. The only traveling I have don is going to Bermuda for my honey moon (long ago) and resently to the scandinavian countries to visit some relatives I have'nt seen for 40 years.

REGARDS APOLO

 

Hi White Mongol. if you are still out there.

I finally got through reading <einstein.periphery.cc> again. and I have to agree wit most of it. The part where you postulate that everything is expanding in physical dimention from atoms to billiard balls to the earth itself, to the universe as a whole, is an interesting ( and certainly a novel ) thought. Hm, hypothesis.- And yesterday's mile is shorter than today's mile. I'm going to let that swirl around in the back of my mind for a while before I express an opinion.
You rightly point out that there is really no such things as solid objects with continous bounderies - or shells - in this world. And 2 objects such as 2 billiard balls can never touch each other, because they do not have a solid surface - consisting as they do mostly of thin air (orVacum) where a bunch of atoms are swirling around, inside of what we perceive as the outer shells of the balls.

It gets interesting when you carry the theory down to, not only atoms, and their costituents,- protons, neutrons and ultimately the quarks (3 quarks to a proton). none of them are solid objects, ONLY BUNDLES OF ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY.
So now, when we have something we call, mass, f.ex. the earth. It has a lot of mass. Let's say 10 exponent x tons. it is well known that mass have gravety. A large mass have strong gravety and will atract other small masses such as golf balls or humans toward it. So now, having said that any lump of mass, big or small, have a certain quality we call gravety, which is one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature.
namely gravety,elctro magnetism, the strong and the weak subatomic forces. What is the cause of gravety ? Remember we established that mass is nothing solid but only emty space containing a lot of tiny bundles of electric charges. So does that mean; when we have a large number of electric charges confined in a certain space, we have "gravety". So therefore, Is gravety the result of confining a number of electric charges (aranged in the pattern of atoms) in a certain area,-such as the cercumference of the earth ?

Interesting thought ! electromagnetism beeing the ultimate cause of gravety. You may be on to something there Mongol.

Regards APOLO

PS; I supose, anu one following this thread has a right to but in with their oppinion.

 

One astronomical unit, ie, a very long pipe, made out of a material that can't exist, .. OK, I'll go with that for the purpose of your thought experiment.

Would it? Black holes bend space because of their gravitaional energy. This mystical tunnel isn't affected by gravity. So how can the presence of the black hole affect it? Light beams bend around black holes because photons have momentum when they are moving, and virtual mass.

Light always travels in a 'straight' even when it appears to bend, because space itself bends in this scenario, but light IS affected by G.

No, the light inside the pipe will bend, and will end up hitting the wall of the pipe when the pipe is near a black hole.

Light bending is proven, we've witnessed gravitational lensing affects. It's also supported by good theory.

 

any thing inside the bend space will appear as bend too.

 

Why?

I don't think you understand your terms, or the ramafications of the pipe not being affected by G.

Space is a place that supports the existance of matter. Mass is a property of matter, and mass is affected by gravity.

Curved space will have no affect on something that is not affected by G.

Your experiment decouples the dimensions of two objects, your fantastical pipe, and space. How can they interact if they are decoupled? How can anything act on the pipe, to bend it?

 

U r seriously weak dude, The gravity can bend light with no mass.

Any ways G wont affect the pipe and the bending of space too should not affect the pipe and hence it will bend along with space as it is completely unaware ofthe bend caused by the G

 

Dude, moving photons have momentum, hence virtual mass. G therefore alters tha path of a photon, because G can interact with the photon, because it exhibits mass.

Er, try saying that again, without contradicting yourself? If the pipe is _not_ affected by G, and is unaware of the curve of space, why will it bend?

Answer that, what causes the pipe to bend?

 

Dude this thread is not about the Pipe. Just asume that the pipe bends along with the Space. But then U dont wana asume that becuse that will prove space bending wrong and whole space science will be wiped anew and corrected, leaving U phlogistician Jobless.

I have already told U how , now its amatter of limitations Ur human Comprehendability. But I can try. The space near BH made of something bends ; because the pipe is not getting pulled it bends along with space as it is inside the space. The space coordinates are bend but not the pipes. Ur god will help U understand that now ( if God exist ). U r Justa human and I dont expect U to digest all this unusual strangeness. First let some generations go , Evolve and then people like U will ...

 

So if the pipe is not necessary, why introduce it?

If, as you describe, the pipe is not affected by G, _it will not bend_.

An assumption can never 'prove' something, don't you get that? This is like pulling teeth, it really is. You set up a thought experiment and have an starting assumption. Your experiment comes to a contrary conclusion to what has been verified. What should you do? Question the results from the other experiment, or your own assumptions, .... go on, you'll get there!

I don't work in space science anymore. I quit to work in IT and make more money!

I think you are trying to say that matter bends space, and Black Holes most noticeably so

Again, you contradict yourself, and you still haven't explained _why_ the pipe bends! This pipe is not affected by G, according to your starting premise. So if it's not being 'pulled', why does it bend? Nothing happens to an object unless osme force acts on it. G would act on this pipe to bend it, but you said G doesn't affect the pipe! So, space around the pipe is bent. So what? Your pipe somehow manages to avoid the limitation usually imposed on matter.

Your thought experiment is flawed, rework it, learn some physics perhaps first, but please, try and talk sense.

 

The pipe is madeup of special space. The only difference is that its visible.

 

So what does this statement add to the thread? Does it somehow explain the fault in your thought experiment? No.

Your 'pipe' would still not bend, end of story.

 

Question to the webmaster, or whoever controls this thread. have you banned Kaiduorkhon a.k.a. the White Mongol from this site ? He seems to have disappeared from the surface of the earth (I mean screen).

Thanks in advance for your answer. APOLO

 

Light travels in Waves of 360 degrees. If we create a vortex in a tub of water by opening a drain and then drop a rock into the water to simulate a 360 degree wave of light we observe that only a portion of the wave is affected and that the rest of the wave continues on its normal direction through space and time.

 

>>>>Light travels in Waves of 360 degrees.

what about lasers?

 

I think he means that it emmanates in all directions from an isoptropic radiator such as a star. Unidirectional, collimated light sources are rare in nature, and I've never heard of natural coherent light (such as lasers produce).

Theoretically, a laser beam will not spread out or weaken over any distance, unlike normal starlight - it could be used to carry optical data transmissions from star to star! Of course, it would still take years to make the trip; and, realistically, the interstellar medium would always cause some attenuation.

The laser beam would still be diverted by spatial curvature near a black hole, however.