And you thought Saving Private Ryan was just a movie..

We are sitting in our warm rooms and watch everything from TVs or read it from the internet but what about the soldiers...well they fight and die
We watch movies like Saving Private Ryan and we always say that war is hell..but we keep doing it and those images do not stay only on movie screens.
Those innocent people still keep dying for..for.... well you can fill in the blank what ever you want but is it worth it? Is a human's life this cheap?

Pictures from Fallujah : http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/

 

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Yup, war is a terrible thing, but sometimes its justified. A point though, if i were an iraqi civvi, and i had kids, why the hell would you stay somewhere were you know that its going to erupt? I'm a ex soldier, and i know that if i was stuck there with my kids, i would have got the hell away from the place , anywhere where i could protect my kids from bullets and bombs, even if that meant living in a ditch.
Another piont is everybody saying get the troops out of danger, bring them home etc. Well all i know is that it was the job that i had been trained for, thats what i did for a living. If you asked those marines who are in Fallujah if they wanted to get out of the place, they would never go, the shame they would feel for wussing out and the loss of face would be unbearable. But inside, you bet your ass they would want to be out of there. Thats just my opinion from what i have been involved in the past. But yeh, its still a grubby little war over there :m:

 

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Are you really sure that if somebody would ask the US soldiers to return home they wouldnt do that?!

I think they are fed up with this war. Thats not their war...Its not like in the second woorld war where US soldiers fought with the Japanese. The Iraqis did not bomb Pearl Harbor or any other place in the US (9-11 is not done by Iraq). So, i am sure they would be glad to come back and finish this non-sense war but now they can't back out otherwise it will be a second Vietnam.
US lost the Vietnam War because it wasnt their war..its the same case here.

 

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i have no problem with having troops their as long as their is a free[b/] election there not controlled by the amuricans or the puppet govt, and the troops do only what they are instructed by that govt, if the disobey, they fuck off

 

Remeber not everyone that wanted to leave was allowed to.
Its fairly widely reported that people are being turned back when trying to leave (Mostly males between 15-55), maybe some of them had famillies that didn't want to split up.

 

But if you remember, it was well known that it was all gonna kick off in Fallujah.The writing was on the wall for all to see, and if i had kids i would of been long gone to keep them as safe as poss

 

Likewise, Americans should keep themselves and their children away from tall buildings.

 

Can't argue with that

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well not much but even if you said that any given american town was going to be bombed to buggery you know you'd get the few who'd insist on staying.

 

On second thought, slotty's right. The Fallugian citizens should have all packed up and left to their country cottage.

 

For one thing, we can't really watch 'Saving Private Ryan' on TV; the thing got edited thanks to everyone worrying about the over-zealous FCC. But back to Falluja; did the U.S. or Iraqis provide a way for citizens to leave, i.e. transport? Set up a refugee camp? I'm curious. You'll excuse me for doubting that much was done.

 

Or i could be of course that the Iraqi's believed the US when they said they would be using precsion guided bombs that would minimize civilian casualties or that they wouldnt be using cluster bombs in civilian areas or that they wouldnt be using chemical weapons in Falujah or that snipers wouldnt be shooting anything that moved

 

they idi not try at all to evacuate civilians, as far as they are concerned, anyone in iraq with a gun is a terrorist

 

" wouldnt be using chemical weapons in Falujah ", surenderer

I am intrigued. Show me proof

 

Look on the bright side, we took Fallujah. Better to get all the insurgents bottled up in one place for a slaughter then to hunt them down individually. Thats why guerillas are so hard to fight. :m:

 

FALLUJAH (November 10, 2004) -- US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in their large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988.

"The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally-banned chemical weapons," resistance sources told Al-Quds Press Wednesday, November 10.

The fatal weapons led to the deaths of tens of innocent civilians, whose bodies litter sidewalks and streets, they added.

"They use chemical weapons out of despair and helplessness in the face of the steadfast and fierce resistance put up by Fallujah people, who drove US troops out of several districts, hoisting proudly Iraqi flags on them. Resistance has also managed to destroy and set fire to a large number of US tanks and vehicles.

"The US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene," an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press. "Some Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases," added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah.

In August last year, the United States admitted dropping the internationally-banned incendiary weapon of napalm on Iraq, despite earlier denials by the Pentagon that the "horrible" weapon had not been used in the three-week invasion of Iraq. After the offensive on Iraq ended on April 9 last year, Iraqis began to complain about unexploded cluster bombs that still litter their cities.

Media Blackout
The sources said that the media blackout, the banning of Al-Jazeera satellite channel and subjective embedded journalists played well into the hands of the US military.

"Therefore, US troops opted for using internationally banned weapons to soften the praiseworthy resistance of Fallujah people. More and more, the US military edits and censors reports sent by embedded journalists to their respective newspapers and news agencies," the sources added.

Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Al-Shaalan had said Tuesday, November 9, would be decisive."Al-Shaalan declaration meant nothing but the use of chemical weapons and poisonous gases to down Fallujah fighters," observers told Al-Quds Press.

The reported gassing stands as a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurdish community in the northern city of Halbja in 1988. While the West insisted that Saddam was the one behind the heinous attack, the ousted president pointed fingers at the then Iranian regime


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Granted with no press in there.....Who really knows??

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but with the United States track record for lies and deceit I wouldnt doubt this claim

 

Nice unbiased source you have there.

The US has not deployed chemical weapons abroad since 1993. They are currently undergoing destruction at seven facilities across the country IAW the 1993 CWC.

 

Well I figured you would say that if it came from anything but CNN or Fox.....oh yea dont forget that depleted uranium fits in the chemical weapons category also....but I guess that isnt used either huh?

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Lies......no worries though this wouldnt be the 1st time........


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Bush and Co. have no problems "breaking the rules".........but are you lying to me or to yourself?

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U.S. using chemical weapons? With our forces overwhelming conventional weapon superiority, there is no need, and nothing to be gained from doing so. Unless that site classifies some sort of tear gas as a chemical weapon. And I don't know if they are even using that.

People, please try to keep in mind that there is an awful lot of crap on the internet. Try to remember Carl Sagan's line about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence.

The Bush administration may be full of arrogant twits who inspire hatred across much of the world. But I assure you most of us here in the U.S. are decent people. And that is also true for those in our armed forces. They are there trying to make the best of a bad deal, and most of them just want to survive their missions and get home where they belong. Information about the use of chemical weapons could not be suppressed, too many Americans would get the word out.

Edit: DU? Get 'em Stokes. Or alternatively, do a search Surender.