Who LIKES President George W Bush?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Demunlady, Nov 5, 2004.

  1. philocrazy Banned Banned

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    hi how you been dude
    i want to ask you is it true plasma tvs/displays run at over 450w power
    consumption cause large screen crt tvs/display run at max 150w power consumption which translates into energy consumption projection increase
    of 3x if plasma becomes mainstream choice,now with the current climate
    warming who fucks up the world
     
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  3. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    And while ye'r at it, ask them also about all the innocent Iraqis that have been killed.

    Almost none of the Iraqis had anything to do with the terrorists.

    He is also putting in billions of dollars into the war while Oregon's educational budget suffered two fatal blows.

    Oh, sure. Blame the media when someone doesn't agree with ya that those thousands of lives killed off in Iraq were worth it.
     
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  5. robtex Registered Senior Member

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    that is a federal offense to say that.
     
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  7. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, now Bush is trying to eliminate our freedom of speech?
     
  8. robtex Registered Senior Member

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    no actually it really is a federal offense to threaten any president...i don't know the history about it but in theory one could be prosecuted on that statement alone....I tried to google it but darn it cant find it.
     
  9. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Well . . . Good thing Dreamwalker isn't American, huh?
     
  10. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    At the pace Sadaam was killing Iraqis, I'd wager more would have died had there not been war.

    That doesn't mean we shouldn't have gone to war with Iraq. Iraq has something to do with terrorism, not necessarily those who took down the towers.

    Where is the correlation? Was Oregon given the excuse from the federal government "sorry, no money, we have a war going here - go away now."?

    Since as many would have died if we'd failed to act, I think tha argument is a strawman.
     
  11. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    But Saddam is gone now. So why haven't we hauled ass outta there yet?

    Yes it does. I don't think anyone in Iraq was involved with Al Qaeda.

    All the money the President could give to the educational system is going into the war effort.

    Sure, there's no Saddam in the future, but I'm sure there'll also be no intelligent people.
     
  12. Raven Registered Senior Member

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    He's great if you like egomaniacal idiots that are cowardly deserters that only got this far because of Daddy's money and Daddy's friends.
     
  13. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    Support the war or not one must realize that the 100,000 Iraquis that died didn't die an oblivious death. That number paints a sort of an eskewed image that 100,000 Iraqis just stood there while U.S tanks rolled over them. These soldiers intent isn't to kill them, it isn't Bush's intent either to have innocent blood attached to this either. A lot of these Iraqis vehemently opposed U.S and many died from the actions of coward miltia fucks who took to the fighting in the streets of THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Support the war or not but ultimetly the U.S seems to have more respect for Iraqi civilians than Iraqi militia does.

    What I don't seem to understand is what do these people do not get??? Their leader who killed his own nation's childern, froze their bodies to have em paraded in the streets for propaganda while his sons raped innocent young women are finally gone....they are free of them. Is this some sort of malignant desire to be controlled? That freedom scares them so much? Or is there really no freedom for them at all? Do they feel the U.S will take over, assert their own ideals and dissolve their intrinsic culture?

    Something more than just plain terrorist hunting needs to be resolved here.
     
  14. Roman Banned Banned

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    Wes, if I had to kill your baby to save ten babies, should I do it?
     
  15. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    That would be up to you.

    I would be obliged to stop you.

    You make a point though. Consider that the president of the US, no matter who he is... any politician anywhere who takes their job seriously for that matter, is faced with such impossible choices.

    It's better for the inviduals involved if no babies die, but that's not possible. You framed the choice. One or ten. Which do you choose?

    I wouldn't blame you for choosing mine, but I'd kill you to stop it. The fact is in Iraq at this point, the damage is done. Perhaps a better question might be - if you managed to kill my child to save the others, would I still kill you? The answer is: I have no idea. I know I'd try not to, but I don't know if I could live up to that goal because of the grief of losing my child whom I love so dearly. It could very well have me out of my mind if it were so.
     
  16. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    At the pace he was killing Iraqis TEN years ago. Perhaps an invasion would have been justified then, but Saddam's killing spree had ended years before America 'liberated' the Iraqis. From the Humans Rights Watch http://hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm#_Toc58744952

    Yes, I'm sure the Iraqi's feel liberated without being surrounded by the four walls and roof of their home.
     
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  17. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I disagree with serious bush supporters, but feel more contempt for liberals.
    To say saddam would have killed lots of iraqis if bush didn't intervene is absolutely beside the point, that was saddam's country and he was free to do whatever the fuck he wanted to iraqis. He was a dictator, he actually owned the iraqi people.
    It's none of americas business what he does to iraqis, thats the one thing you simply can not complain about. If he was catching too many fish in the atlantic ocean that would be a different story, those aren't his fish and we could put an end to him hogging all the fish for himself. But iraqis definately were his.
    We weren't in the position to be judging how he was treating them. If we simply wanted them ourselves for meat or slave labourers then we could go and take them off him using our power. That would be fine.
    But iraq didn't happen to be bound by american laws, it didn't happen to take human rights seriously. You can uphold american law in america, and strive for human rights in a country where the government has human rights as a priority, but not anywhere else.
    That was a shitty reason to start a war. And the leftist argument against it is correct.

    Right wingers are the reason left wingers are generally so sure that they're correct. Because the right wing stance is so easily refutable. If you step back, and go back to basics, and say "wait a minute, we're competing groups of humans, we are free to do whatever the fuck we want to iraq. If there is some gain to be had from attacking iraq then that is reason enough, we shouldn't hesitate to swiftly go over there and take as much as we can and fuck them up as much as possible so that they can't ever be a threat to our dominance" thats when the liberals have nothing.
    What can they say to that?
    "hey you shouldn't do that"
    Fuck you
    "it's not very nice to innocent palestinians"
    Ha, yeah I know
    "you should care about them"
    Says who?
    "aaahhh... jesus"
    Sorry? can you speak up?
    "jesus"
    Hahaha, yeah I heard you the first time, just wanted you to make a fool of yourself again.

    Right wingers give them an advantage by accepting the basis for their stance, accepting morals and such automatically makes the liberal stance correct.
    But we have zero reasons to accept their stupid morals, we have reasons to not accept them, namely they conflict with human nature.
     
  18. Roman Banned Banned

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    Well Doc, they do have our oil under their sand....

    What bothers me Wes, is that Bush so readily went to war in Iraq. I read it was his goal from day 1. He's the 'war' president, yet I find it frightening that someone who calls themselves "compassionate" would go to a war as unjust and unnecessary as a Gulf War II. I'd support Bush if he showed real balls and stopped the massacres in Sudan; but he won't, they're all black and have no oil.
    If it was reasonable that the Iraqis would "greet us with open arms" and we had a clear exit strategy, then Iraq qould be justified. Neither happened.
    As a 16 year old, when we first went to war, I could have told you that all our military might could do nothing to stop the insurgency; neither would our 'collateral damage' win any hearts and minds. Rhetoric is find and dandy when you're 10,000 miles away, you're family's still alive and your house isn't rubble.
     
  19. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    But it is. What its an enemy of depends upon your viewpoint.

    No, its wrong to kill innocent people, and leave countries in as bad a state as they were when you started.


    Where? Do the words unsustainable deficit mean anything to you?

    Hahah. Clintons recession was the same as the REagan and Bush 1 recession- an easy money supply. All Bush has done is permit the same economic policy to carry on, and it has enabled a full blown recession to be avoided, fo now. Ask yourself why the dollar is dropping in value on the iternational money markets.
     
  20. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    So many qualities to like, where to start. His dogmatic certainty of being right, his inability to admit an error, his impatience with pointy headed liberal concepts like "facts" and "evidence". His admitted ignorance and insularity.

    How about this:
    From President George W. Bush's November 4 press conference:

    REPORTER: Mr. President -- thank you. As you look at your second term, how much is the war in Iraq going to cost? Do you intend to send more troops or bring troops home? And in the Middle East, more broadly, do you agree with [British Prime Minister] Tony Blair that revitalizing the Middle East peace process is the single most pressing political issue facing the world?

    BUSH: Now that I've got the will of the people at my back, I'm going to start enforcing the one-question rule. That was three questions [laughter].

    [...]

    REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. President. How will you go about bringing people together? Will you seek a consensus candidate for the Supreme Court if there's an opening? Will you bring some Democrats into your Cabinet?

    BUSH: Again, he violated the one-question rule right off the bat. Obviously, you didn't listen to the will of the people.

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200411040006

    Watch the video. The supremely arrogant master of his domain. "We don't need to answer any stinkin questions!"
     
  21. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    George is a delite to have in class!

    For 25 years, Yoshi Tsurumi, one of George W. Bush's professors at Harvard Business School, was content with his green-card status as a permanent legal resident of the United States. But Bush's ascension to the presidency in 2001 prompted the Japanese native to secure his American citizenship. The reason: to be able to speak out with the full authority of citizenship about why he believes Bush lacks the character and intellect to lead the world's oldest and most powerful democracy.

    "I don't remember all the students in detail unless I'm prompted by something," Tsurumi said in a telephone interview Wednesday. "But I always remember two types of students. One is the very excellent student, the type as a professor you feel honored to be working with. Someone with strong social values, compassion and intellect - the very rare person you never forget. And then you remember students like George Bush, those who are totally the opposite." ....
    .....In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people - because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"

    If Cox had been in the same class, Tsurumi said, "I could have asked him to challenge that and he would have demolished it. Not personally or emotionally, but intellectually."

    Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically, polemically or academically."

    Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

    http://pages.zdnet.com/trimb/id233.html
     
  22. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Hehe . . . Very telling, Repo Man.
     
  23. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I do not see a paragraph in German law that says I cannot say this.

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