If Bush is re-elected in Nov. it would mean a disaster for the U.S.A. Four more years of Bush means four more years of war in Iraq and a possible war with Iran and/or N. Korea.......Don't beleive it? Re-elect Bush and see! Atta Boy Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
What? Kerry is NOT going to be keeping troops in Afgan' to find Osama? I do not know about North Korea... after the movie "Team America" anything can happen now..... Amazing how a movie can influence how people see the world. As for Iraq.... They captured suddam... why are they still "WARRING"?.... there are still troops there, but the war is not over?
The war in Iraq won't be over unless another president is in office. Bush can't handle it. He has lied to the American people about Iraq having WMD and who wants a liar for president? If Bush is re-elected, Good luck America!!! Atta Boy
This is sort of a loaded statement. What, in your opinion is the impact that "Team America" has had on . . . well anyone. And did you perhaps miss the fact that the film was making fun of a rather exagerated sense of American nationalism and blindness to the rest of the world?
Have you turned on your Televison lately? Try reading a daily newspaper if you get a chance. It will bring you up to date why we're still fighting a useless war! Are the Iraqi people liberated now? 'NO'! Are the Iraqi people better off than they were before with Sadam? 'NO"! Why have Thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi people have been killed and for what reason? Bush's so-called WMD which don't exist and never did, that's why! Have we caught Osama Bin Laden yet? 'NO'! Will we? "Probably 'NO'? Vote for Kerry or even Nader. At least they won't lie to the american people like Bush did! If Bush is re-elected, expect more of the same....... Atta Boy Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Why do the people of America even worry about war? America is such a huge country with huge resources! America also knows that the eyes of the world are upon them and are aware of their limitations as such. Iraq WAS run by a vicous dictator who actively encouraged his own children to become vile rapists and torturers. The people of Iraq had NO hope whilst that regieme was in operation. People forget that even the kindnesses of Sadam Hussein were great wickednesses. Which one among you could gas a whole peoples to death? Imagine seeing your new born baby turning blue 8 minutes from being born because some man had decided that was a fitting end for it!!!! I cannot believe you cannot see that it is fitting for such a superpower as the US to go and rescue the helpless. It is like superman flying in and snatching the heroine from the train track she has been tied to! It is a shame that the Americans are not proud to be associated with such a super hero which is the spirit of your country! Iraq will heal because of the true kindness shown it by the spirit of the super hero that is the peoples of America. The cancer was cut out taking even more good flesh with it, but it was important to take the good flesh too to make sure that ALL of the cancer was gone! It is never good to have to cut out the good flesh but sometimes this is necessary as any good surgeon will tell you. I say to Americans ... be proud of your country and do not worry about war. You are civillians not soldiers and you cannot become occupied given your strength so you should be thankful that you are who you are. No one likes bloodshed. No one except those evil murderers and your soldiers are not like that. No! Your soldiers are hot coffee and apple pie kinda guys who love defending their own. Support your boys, they do it because they 'know' it to be right. If your soldiers are for you and they are acting under the intruction of their superiors then support their superiors too! It is true that oil will be sought by the authorities in your country but think how much oil you have poured into trying to establish peace in that region. What comes around goes around! Be proud in America! You are very blessed to be there. thanks c20
If your goal is to be a superhero, then why not intervention in Congo, more AIDS help, end with poverty....All those goals would give you the largest public support ever. Instead you invade a sovereign country that guess what, isn't very happy in your being there, no matter what you claim to be doing.
Show me an innocent father in Iraq who isnt pleased that Sadam has gone! I think they prefer their daughters to remain unraped! peace c20
Count the hundreds of thousands of insurgents. Many of them are fathers. The only crime that existed under Saddam was by the state. http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ check there how happy the Iraqis were for their liberation. Check the pictures of happyness - http://photos1.blogger.com/img/190/941/400/iraq picture.jpg.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-gallup-iraq-findings.htm After the invasion of Iraq by US and British forces, which of the following, if any, happened to you personally or to members of your household: A. No electricity Last 4 weeks 47 At some point since invasion 78 Before war 68 B. No clean water Last 4 weeks 32 At some point since invasion 49 Before war 36 C. No medicine Last 4 weeks 17 At some point since invasion 25 Before war 15 D. No food Last 4 weeks 16 At some point since invasion 25 Before war 11 E. Unsafe at night Last 4 weeks 60 At some point since invasion 74 Before war 10 _____________- keep dreaming. The invasion made them unsafer, with the same amount of food and medicine.
Do you not understand what I mean by this? I am happy to explain it through if you consider it necessary. peace c20
Ok. Sadam Hussein does not hold good to what the common people would call basic morality. It is well documented that he has raped and tortured and gassed many hundreds of thousands of common peoples. If he stayed in power then it was fairly obvious that his sons would take over his empire. Sadam was getting old and was going to have to hand over the authority soon. Now the following is based upon an educational guess but I fully accept that it is just a theory ... A child learns from it's parents. A parent's wish is that the child will do better than even they did. The child's concepts of what is better is based firstly on what the parent has called 'good'. So then the child takes what he sees as good and is naturally encouraged all of his life to live up to their parents expectations. So we see Sadam's two sons growing up and doing as they see their father doing. They become even more determined and are driven on by the fact that one day they will 'rule' Iraq. Their determination would have definately ( in my humble opinion) produced nuclear capabilities. Their father had begun a work that they would have felt compelled to finish had they wished to prove that they were the answer to their father's apparently 'failed' plans. Here was there chance to succeed in their fathers eyes whether he be alive or dead. This would have meant catastrophe for all peoples - not just Iraq's. This scenario is the fear that drives the American soldier to put his neck on the line. He does it for his people and all peoples good. For this reason of course you should back him. The fallout of war in inevitable i.e. hardship and suffering for a time, but the suffering of the common people of Iraq will actually serve to unify them in love out of love for eachother. Once Iraq appears to be healing as it should, it will become an example to the rest of the arab world. The peoples of surrounding countries will see Iraq growing into something marvellous and they will covert what is Iraq's new found splendour. The arab peoples will rise up against bad dictators and will do so knowing that America is bound to support their willingness to be part of the 'War On Terror'. It all just takes time! It takes time and time again and it happens in history, time and time again the world over. peace c20
The Generals or Tareq Aziz would've probably taken control, his sons were lunatic. Yeah, the Arab people will uprise like they did in '91, when the Iraqis uprised agaisnt Saddam and then where gased while the Americans went away. It's bullshit, the USA never promoted freedom. They toppled freely elected governments all over the World during their fight agaisnt Communism, and they're doing the same here. In Aghanistan, Karzai has little real power outside Cabul. Before Iraq, Khadafi was the highest threat on everyone's book, he was way furthest into the WMD program than Saddam ever was.... The fact is, the USA use everyone and everyone uses the USA, as you can see with Bin Laden in the 80's.
Ok. Sadam Hussein does not hold good to what the common people would call basic morality. Oddly enough he was good enough when he was in the back pocket of the West, giving him the latest military technology, nuclear tech, biological tech, supporting him, defending him, and politically vying for him. This was the 80’s when Saddam killed untold hundreds of thousands…yet guess what. The US took him off the terror support states list! Oh yes you have the gaulle to talk about basic morality? Me no thinks so. It is well documented that he has raped and tortured and gassed many hundreds of thousands of common peoples. Which the US in 1988 blamed on Iran not Saddam… If he stayed in power then it was fairly obvious that his sons would take over his empire. Sadam was getting old and was going to have to hand over the authority soon. Now the following is based upon an educational guess but I fully accept that it is just a theory ... Well guess what that theory this largely wrong, because the regime was fundamentally weak. It did not have the ideological backing of the population it did not have the military power anymore, and Saddam like Castro once dead would have spelled the collapse of the regime if not much earlier. Their determination would have definately ( in my humble opinion) produced nuclear capabilities. Their father had begun a work that they would have felt compelled to finish had they wished to prove that they were the answer to their father's apparently 'failed' plans. Here was there chance to succeed in their fathers eyes whether he be alive or dead. The entire nuclear infrastructure was destroyed, how in God’s name were they able to reconstitute an entire nuclear programme with sanctions, and with most of Iraq’s money going to their pockets. They did not care about nuclear weapons anymore, that’s so 80’s. After Saddam realized it was fruitless to continue his WMD programmes he figured he might as well milk the country for all its got, and his sons did the same. This scenario is the fear that drives the American soldier to put his neck on the line. The only thing he has to fear is fear itself… He does it for his people and all peoples good. For this reason of course you should back him. He does it because he is ignorant that simple…sorry but that’s the reality. If he does it because of this scary Saddam who says boo and America cries then I am at a great loss for words. Americans shouldn’t think with their balls they should think with their brain. The fallout of war in inevitable i.e. hardship and suffering for a time, but the suffering of the common people of Iraq will actually serve to unify them in love out of love for eachother. Once Iraq appears to be healing as it should, it will become an example to the rest of the arab world. The peoples of surrounding countries will see Iraq growing into something marvellous and they will covert what is Iraq's new found splendour. The arab peoples will rise up against bad dictators and will do so knowing that America is bound to support their willingness to be part of the 'War On Terror'. LOL oh of course you will see rallies in Damascus, Riyadh asking for the US to drop bombs on them for freedom. Funny your idealisitic and obviously incorrect assertions do not fit with the reality. Just like the USSR before you, you are so full of your shit of superiority ideologically that you can do no wrong. Very simple the US like the USSR has met her match in an enemy she fundamentally doesn’t understand. They don’t want your democracy, they don’t want your capitalism, they don’t want your Nike, they want to determine for themselves what is their way. The US is going to impose its mores on the Iraqi people, and the world shockingly enough is not the US. The US has weakened herself so much this quote pretty sums up the reason why ur logic is doing so much more harm then good to America:
I understand your appeals for peoples to stop fighting. You want peace across the world. But this is not reality. Since mankind was born there has been power struggles ending in murder. Nothing anyone can do will change this. But with each war comes peace. You cannot have peace without war, anymore than you can have aggression without defence. Perhaps your real issue is with strong allies and underdogs in a case of war? This would seem to be your stance given the context of your text. What you perhaps do not understand is that America saw the people of Iraq as an underdog too! Sure their motives may have been oil and control but the justification to take action is an imperative here. They claim and continue to claim that they did it in the name of 'stamping out terrorism' i.e. to set people free from the tyranny of terror which my own eyes cannot argue has at least started to happen. I think it is now a matter of patience until we see how the peoples of Iraq benefit. The quote you quote is a very biased anonymous one and only mirrors how you feel, it does not actually express a balanced objective viewpoint. I am merely pointing out that if you are American, you should support the action of your boys. It matters not the reasons and motives. We just accept that these conflicts have always appeared and they are always resolved. When I watch a game of chess between two friends, I just want to see a good fight, good strategy and good planning. The outcome matters not because at the end of the day I am not playing. For those not involved in the war it is simply a matter of debate. But for the soldiers it is life and death and it is their struggle that I remember. Those friends playing chess, they care about winning and losing and they both try to win. I love watching them fight because I too love to play. I know what they are going through. All is fair in love and war as they say. As long as America can prove they have made Iraq a better place to be in the long run I will say all is well that end's well. Of course it will never end well because history will do what it has always done and repeats itself... i.e. people will lament the dead soldiers, people will lament the loss of innocent life, people will remember the victors and people will forget the victors, people will say the victors are the losers and people will say the losers are the true victors dependant upon their stand. You say America is bad, I dont care who is good or bad really because there are always two sides to it and both are right and both are wrong. It has to be that way to be fair ( in love and war). I just remember the soldiers and if they are soldiers from my country I will bless them for their sacrifice. peace c20
But with each war comes peace. You cannot have peace without war, anymore than you can have aggression without defence. No one here asserted otherwise what we are saying is that as long as the US has her fingers in the pot there will be no peace. Consider Vietnam for instance as long as the US was there, there was no peace. Once the North Vietnamese came there was peace. Peace isn’t the harbinger of good news either, peace will happen in Iraq the only question is how, and how many more people will have to die to get there? What you perhaps do not understand is that America saw the people of Iraq as an underdog too! Sure their motives may have been oil and control but the justification to take action is an imperative here. The American people generally didn’t care about the Iraqi people because if she did why would she support Saddam in the 80’s and the sanctions which have been shown to have killed at least 1 million Iraqi’s since the end of the war? The American ppl do what they do best, fake outrage. Americans are one the biggest hypocrites in the world and the world knows it. Thus no I don’t buy that argument because to this day America is supporting dictator’s world wide. They claim and continue to claim that they did it in the name of 'stamping out terrorism' i.e. to set people free from the tyranny of terror which my own eyes cannot argue has at least started to happen. Stamping out terrorism is not through bombs its through ideas, this is not a war. That is the greatest blunder here confusing this with a war. The “War on Terrorism” which unto itself makes no sense, is not a war at all. But a tactic and the US is fighting a war against an effect not a cause. As long as the US attacks the effects she will only be solidifying the causes to her own great peril. I think it is now a matter of patience until we see how the peoples of Iraq benefit. The quote you quote is a very biased anonymous one and only mirrors how you feel, it does not actually express a balanced objective viewpoint. Actually I will give you the website with accredited writiers: http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=225&language_id=1 It’s a great work of scholarship it goes well beneath the superficial crap you watch on American news. America is indeed no longer a world power in her own right, and American power will be challenged now as a result of Iraq and the weakness that the US has put herself in as a result. I am merely pointing out that if you are American, you should support the action of your boys. It matters not the reasons and motives. We just accept that these conflicts have always appeared and they are always resolved. I’m not an American, and I do respect soldiers but I don’t respect their commanders. Soldiers are a special breed of human beings, to be desensitized, to be automatons, and to not question authority. To me that is antithetical to what I consider a being of moral worth, a rational human being. But for the soldiers it is life and death and it is their struggle that I remember. They choose this life, this is their job, they choose it and they have to live the consequences. They know what they were getting themselves into, I feel sorry for draftees not necessary people who voluntarily risk their lives for a morally wrong war. As long as America can prove they have made Iraq a better place to be in the long run I will say all is well that end's well. By the looks of it the US will not be able to do that, the US has destroyed any chance she once had of getting Iraq on the right track from the moment that soldier put the American flag on Saddam’s head it inflamed the Arab blood, and I suspect nothing will stop it from boiling. You say America is bad, I never said America is bad; America has been and can be a force for good. But American’s have disappointed their founding fathers, and their respected mores for a new America that resembles nothing more then a neo-imperialist power floundering on its own exceptionalism.
You make some excellent points. I am neither an American but I know soldiers who believe that they are fighting against a terror that uses 'unreasonable force' against a dictator who would gas thousands of innocent kurds. The motives of their commanders are not important to me in this debate. It is the reality that faces the soldiers that I am intersted in. The perceptions of war that I like to explore. I do take on board your stance and applaud it however. It is an honorable spirit. peace c20
