How do you solve a problem called....Tony

tiassa,

You think you know me? You have assumed many things about me. So many, in fact that I probably could not keep up with correcting you if I tried. I'm sure as time goes on you'll learn.

For now, I'm not going to bother refuting your post in it's entirety because it's nonsense. To satisfy your curiosity about what I mean by that, this is what I have done for you. I have closed my eyes, pointed, clicked, opened my eyes and highlighted a small section which I have copied and pasted here for discussion. You see, it did not matter what paragraph I picked. It's all nonsense.

***You counterpointed someone and established the criteria for offense as your perception of how he treats you.***

No. The criteria was established by the poster. The criteria was the assertion that the alleged behavior was "consistently" directed at others.

***You have disagreed with the assertion that he trampled on the feelings of others and thus declared the assertion incorrect.***

No. I never disagreed with the assertion that he trampled on the feeling of others. What I disagreed with was the assertion that it was done "consistently". The fact is that the alleged behavior IS NOT always directed at others even if you disagree with him. That fact renders FALSE, the assertion that the alleged behavior IS "consistently" directed at others. Applying superlative conditions to non-superlative situations, intentionally or not, is exaggeration which goes beyond truth, fact and reality.

***Understand: Tony1's behavior is Tony1's behavior, no matter what you think of it.***

Seriously, I understand this concept. Do you?

***There is no changing what he has posted without losing ... well, there you go ... I guess he does still have a shred of honor left to forfeit. But there you go. You are defending his behavior by attempting to dismiss the allegations.***

I haven't changed what he's posted. I haven't defended his behavior. I haven't attempted to dismiss any allegations. What I DID do was point out that this specific allegation went beyond the truth of the matter.

***If you're going to hide in semantics for the rest of your life, well, maybe there's a reason Christian philosophers call faith the sacrifice of the intellect.***

I don't swallow exaggerated allegations which I know to be false. If you have a problem with this, well, then, that's your problem.


***You seem to be using yours in order to avoid giving issues proper consideration.***

Oh, that's right. I forgot. The great arbiter of truth has spoken... Nonsense. And that's just a random paragraph to satisfy your curiosity.

 

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Take it elsewhere, Cupid

Hadn't you noticed that Cainxinth asked us to leave his topic alone? I know that in the scale of things at Sciforums, that seems like a silly request in a silly topic, but whatever gets him off. So pick it up and trundle your lying butt over to any topic you choose if you really need to continue this.

And that's more than you bothered to do when you asked to offer your opinion. What was so hard about it then?

Or is it that you don't want to answer my post because you don't know how?

Seriously, Cupid, if you hadn't noticed, Cainxinth wants this topic to focus on Tony1, and it hasn't at least since you started this silly pursuit. I'm perfectly happy to take this debate anywhere you want, so it's up to you. Start a topic, if you like (though it's not advisable to have your friends write it for you.)

Otherwise, I'll leave it to you to explain to Cainxinth why you'd rather hunt tiassas than deal with the topic he's posted.

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Tiassa

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Cainxinth,

You say you are preparing for the real world so I hope you've gotten some answers to your topic question. There are many other more appropriate ways of dealing with/reacting to people in the real world other than resorting to what some might see as the cowardice and violence of a common thug (O.K... Let's all jump him. Here he is. I'll hold him while you hit him).

You are right, you need to find the inner strength to be your own person and deal with people one-on-one. Remember, in the real world, whatever action YOU choose, becomes a reflection of YOUR character - not the person you are dealing with/reacting to.

tiassa,

Not everyone is required to resort to the tactics which you and some others here encourage and employ. It is unfortunate that my responding to you directly, one-on-one, makes you feel hunted because I prefer it over your tactic of talking about other posters in other threads with the intention of maligning them. I prefer it over your tactic of infecting as many threads as you can with your unresolved hostility, anger and bitterness. I prefer it over your tactic of looking for any excuse to jump in and attack another poster, who is not even involved in the discussion, by naming them and dragging in your twisted version of the issues you had with him or her in another thread.

Dealing with/reacting to individuals one-on-one is my method of choice.

 

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Last time, Cupid ... Cainxinth--well?

Blonde Cupid

So what is unfortunate is that I can provide examples of the things I'm talking about by citing other people's enactments of those concepts and you prefer not to? It is very unfortunate, as it makes for a very poor debate.

Such as where you describe the process to Cainxinth: You hold him, I'll hit him. Surely you can provide an example of what you're referring to, right? Or is that one of those things you prefer not to provide?

But you prefer not to provide any examples of what you accuse? Of course, there is also the question then of why you jumped into this discussion, since you prefer other forms of debate.

Then you ought to employ that method.

Cainxinth

Well? What can I possibly say? I hear you, on the one hand. To the other, a couple of points. First, I invite you to recall that the current argument you lament began as a relevant portion of this thread; unfortunately, that relevance slipped in lieu of any relevant examples. I'm cool to drop it, but I'm curious what the point of the topic was. If those who would choose to defend Tony1 could provide examples of what they're accusing, we could make some serious progress in this topic and maybe even present Tony1 with a complaint written to his standards that he simply can't avoid (although it's kind of hard to meet arbitrary, ill-defined standards).

Secondly, and again, I'm left to ask the purpose of this topic (it's rhetorical; I like to think I understand the motivations well enough). Specifically, what better testament do you have to the problem?

I'm happy to finish this argument with Cupid anywhere he likes, but I'm not about to leave lies--slanders--without response; I feel entitled to an explanation of his judgement. Since I'm already in that wickedly-grinful mood, I'll leave it at a benign question: What Would Cainxinth Do?

thanx,
--Tiassa

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I can't wait 'till Sunday, it's so much fun to read tony's attempts at posts

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xelios,

You're a masochist.

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mas·och·ism (ms-kzm)
n.
The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.


lol, what a funny word

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Fortunatly no, I don't take pleasure in getting "physically or emotionally abused" lol. I just like reading his posts because most of the time he has no idea what he's talking about

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Tiassa, it would hypocritical of me to ask you to do something ive stated that i cannot. Namely, ignoring wrongful things said to you. However, your current argument with Cupid has gotten to the point where it is clear all hope of progress has been lost. No one here would think less of you if you walked away from this one.

 

I can accept and respect that

Cainxinth

Well-pointed. Give me just a second to tie my shoes ...

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thanx much,
Tiassa

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*Originally posted by Cainxinth
If you meant, “A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.” Then yes I agree the pursuit of scientific truths is a religion of sorts.*

Let's not forget the issue of belief altogether.
You believe that science is telling you the truth.

*Originally posted by 666
I have even see him say that they are being controlled by demons, becuase they belive differently then he does. *

Imagine the nerve of that guy!!!
Wow!!!
I suppose that tiassa is better off being controlled by demons?

*Originally posted by Cainxinth
its difficult to discuss those more interesting things when one person is screaming at the top of his lungs what a moron you are, and how wrong your view on those interesting things is.*

Those voices in your head sound pretty loud.
It can't be me, since I doubt you can even hear my typing.

*Originally posted by Cris
Also your quote from Mark Twain is insulting to the massive human effort that went into making the western world free from oppression, and much of that was freedom from religious oppression. *

You're not just pissed off with me, but Mark Twain, too?

*Originally posted by tiassa
Keep those points in mind, Blonde Cupid, it'll spare you the embarrassment and save the rest of the world from the headache that your brand of spite inspires.*

Now blonde_cupid is full of spite, too?
Why is it that everyone you debate with is full of spite?

*Originally posted by Cris
Although tony1 is irrelevant he probably does make a good practice target.*

Does that go with your own habit of setting yourself up as a target for potshots, and then getting pissed off when someone plinks away?

*Originally posted by tiassa
Cainxinth wants this topic to focus on Tony1*

Aw shucks.

*Originally posted by Xelios
I just like reading his posts because most of the time he has no idea what he's talking about*

Who said atheists and Christians couldn't get along?
That is the exact same reason I read yours.

 

Well, Tony1

Well, we know you are, because all you ever really do is condemn people and their ideas. You have very little positive to say about anything but your own ideas of God. And yes, I think that blonde_cupid is way out of line, and has no business getting all snitty. Yes, spiteful; trying to communicate with him is a little like trying to communicate with you. I'd be better off smashing myself in the balls with a brick.

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What am I supposed to say about someone who doesn't want to give examples of the things he accuses? It seems like he's just working out some inner frustration, taking it out on others. If it's his inability to mount a cohesive, exemplary argument in support of his assertions, that's not my problem.

But really, if he's going to offer his opinion, he ought to be prepared to discuss the basis of it. He has chosen instead to take me up in a personal argument. Too bad about that.

--Tiassa

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Re: Well, Tony1

*Originally posted by tiassa
Well, we know you are, because all you ever really do is condemn people and their ideas.*

When have I condemned anyone?
Ideas, yes; people, no.

*Yes, spiteful;*

What I'm getting at is that every single poster you disagree with magically transforms into a creature of pure spite.
I'm guessing that you're actually the person with the spite problem, rather than everyone else.

*I'd be better off smashing myself in the balls with a brick.*

If that is true, than what's stopping you from doing that?

*What am I supposed to say about someone who doesn't want to give examples of the things he accuses?*

You could say, "he's just like tiassa."
Of course, you'd be lying since he does actually provide examples.

*It seems like he's just working out some inner frustration*

Inner frustration while debating with you?
Could it be?
Is it really possible?

*If it's his inability to mount a cohesive, exemplary argument in support of his assertions, that's not my problem.*

Since that isn't it, it is your problem, specifically spite, along with the anger, rage and bitterness you are usually venting.

*But really, if he's going to offer his opinion, he ought to be prepared to discuss the basis of it. He has chosen instead to take me up in a personal argument.*

You can't see it, of course, but he IS discussing the basis of it, if it is a personal argument with you.
I'm guessing you're the problem.

 

tony1, you are such a disappointment. Why can't you ever be the bigger person? Why are you so utterly resistant to responding to other people's ideas without becoming ludicrously defensive? If I’m wrong about god I’m going to hell, isn’t that enough for you?

I’m a member of several forums, and this one contains some really great people. In this life it’s rare to find people who genuinely want to have meaningful discussions on very deep topics. I know you think you have the meaning of life all figured out, but that means you should be offering your opinion to those of us still looking for answers not yelling at us for not believing exactly as you do. Furthermore, we’re all trying to behave and debate like adults here, and you are constantly dragging us through the muck and turning thread after thread into a pissing contest that no one can win. Why do you get a kick out of treating nice people badly? Why do you hang out here?

 

*Originally posted by Cainxinth
Why are you so utterly resistant to responding to other people's ideas without becoming ludicrously defensive?*

Utterly resistant to responding?
Did you forget why you started this thread?
Haven't I been responding?

Oh wait...I think you're asking me why I don't just agree with you.
Is that true?

*If I’m wrong about god I’m going to hell, isn’t that enough for you?*

Do you have, oh, a great problem with self-pity?

*I’m a member of several forums, and this one contains some really great people.*

It does, doesn't it?

*...not yelling at us...*

When did I yell, except for that first rule of science I reminded you of, because I was sure you just forgot?

*Furthermore, we’re all trying to behave and debate like adults here*

And it's not working?
Here is a clue, adults can actually deal with contradictory ideas without starting threads complaining about the contradiction.

*Why do you get a kick out of treating nice people badly? Why do you hang out here? *

I'm sorry, but I keep getting this visual of you doing more or less the same thing in school, while getting the crap beaten out of you.
Is that accurate?
If it is, then you need to deal with some self-pity issues.
Actually, even if it isn't quite accurate, you still do.

Do you think the world revolves around Cainxinth's delicate constitution?
Does the world need to soften some hard edges so you don't bump youw widdow elbow?

It's easier to debate if you can concentrate on the issues instead of concentrating on the method of concentration on the concentration of the method of...ad infinitum.
Beisdes, if I changed to something else, the next complaint would be about the way I did it.

 

without becoming ludicrously defensive

Tony1, all i want to know is why your outlook on life is so negative, so rigid, so angry? You say that you have a right to be an a**hole, and that the world is full a**holes so i might as well get used to it. I'm sorry Tony1, but my world is not full of people like you. I came to this place in particular because i am attracted to conversation devoid of a**holes. With the exception of you i havent been dissapointed. Which is why once again i'll ask, just what are you doing here?

 

"concentrate on the issues instead of concentrating on the method"

i wouldnt argue with your methods if they weren’t so inflexible and petulant . Now, inflexible could mean obstinate and it can mean uncompromising – I think both characterize you, and if anything that’s understandable. But as for petulant, its clear you are ill-tempered at nearly all times, and that is not acceptable. I'm not asking you to give up your beliefs, just to present them in a manner that benefits us all.

"Beisdes, if I changed to something else, the next complaint would be about the way I did it."

thats not true, if you lightened up even the slightest i would commend you not complain to you. You have my word on that.

 

*Originally posted by Cainxinth
Tony1, all i want to know is why your outlook on life is so negative, so rigid, so angry?*

Hey, I'm not one of those schoolyard bullies that used to beat the crap out of you.
Take a deep breath, C.
Breathe out slowly, and relax.
I'm a guy discussing ideas.

*You say that you have a right to be an a**hole, and that the world is full a**holes so i might as well get used to it.*

Nah, it's just you talking to yourself.
I didn't say that.
Here is what you said also...
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Or like me, do you think Tony is a hyperactive nut (12-17-01 02:21 PM)
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*With the exception of you i havent been dissapointed.*

It seems you were ticked off with Elbaz, Taken, BC and Ben, not to mention yourself.
Speaking of which, if you came here to discuss ideas without a**holes, as you so cutely put it, why are you here?
Isn't that kind of a contradiction in terms, given your self-assessment?

"a f****** idiot and a clod" (Cainxinth -speaking of self, 12-08-01)

 

Regarding Tony1

I think that the time has come now when the obvious solution is to blatantly ignore the pratt. He has been given, time and time again, the opportunity to present a rational explanation to any questions thrown at him. However, all we get in return is the mindless, uninventive ramblings of a bible puncher who BELIEVES EVERYTHING that he reads in the bible and nothing else. I for one, from now on, refuse to reply to his pathetic monotonic replies and quotes. Tony - you have not won! You have lost - drastically. Toodle Pip old son - I hope you end up like Stephen Hawkings who you slagged off so mercilessly in the thread "soul".

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Re: Regarding Tony1

*Originally posted by Red Devil
He has been given, time and time again, the opportunity to present a rational explanation to any questions thrown at him.*

Looking in the dictionary under "rational," I see no requirement that it be understood by Red Devil.

*Tony - you have not won! You have lost - drastically.*

Having to say it like that, pretty much puts it all into question.

*I hope you end up like Stephen Hawkings*

Hey, I hope he ends up like me.
Besides, you're closer to him.
Pass on the message that God's healing awaits him.

Jesus said unto him, If you can believe, all things are possible to him that believes.
(Mark 9:23, KJV).

 

This is the superior form!

That sounds much better.