Why Israel should be a little scared.

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  1. s t e p h Registered Senior Member

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    america doesnt rely on other countries it lies to though does it. public opinion doesnt matter either but is important however.

    Israel is different. If most Americans knew how much Israel was getting and how bad there crimes were tehn most Americans would be vbery pissed. Israel needs public support, it needs money and it needs help.
     
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  3. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    Well exposing lies and hypocrasy makes a country more disliked and its a fact that the US is more hated now than ever but you dont think that hatred would crush the US?
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Look at American, were getting stupider and more sheep like by the minute, do you honestly believe we will somehow wise up any time soon?

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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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  8. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Two things wrong the statements made by this Israeli official:

    While Iran has had Israel in missile range for some time, Israeli officials said the range described by Rafsanjani was more significant for Europe than for Israel.

    Not true, well more of a half truth. Israel has indeed been in the range of the Shahab III-A missile for a while now. This new missile is the newer B version, so Israel is fooling itself.

    "We are well prepared to defend the state of Israel. . . . The Iranians will have to think twice before using these kinds of weapons," a senior Israeli official said.

    Israel cannot defend itself from a moving warhead, that simple. I think Israel would have to think twice before she attacks Iran. The senior official is either in a state of delusion, or purposely trying to calm the fears of the Israeli public. Because as anyone with some modicum of knowledge of ABM’s will tell you, a stationary target is easy to shoot down, a moving target is all but impossible. That’s why the Russians have developed and probably going to start to deploy maneuverable warheads to thwart NMD, Israel again with the new Shahab III-B missiles is not safe.
     
  9. Stokes Pennwalt Nuke them from orbit. Registered Senior Member

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    This is incorrect.
     
  10. s0meguy Worship me or suffer eternally Valued Senior Member

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    They could try to locate the "moving warhead" by sattelite or someone infiltrated and then infiltrate commando's to neutralize them? There are a lot of ways that Israel or the US can defend itself against mobile missile launchers.

    The US can't do it alone and maybe with Israel but with the help of EU countries like in Iraq, Iran doesn't stand a chance.
     
  11. Undecided Banned Banned

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    How is it incorrect? The Arrow system would not be able to compensate for this technology. It even recently failed against a Scud-B missile test, how is Israel supposed to defend itself from a MUCH more advanced, manoeuvrable warhead? To my knowledge the Arrow missile system is designed to destroy the actual missiles like a Scud, not merely a small, fast, and especially manoeuvrable warhead. Not even NMD can accomplish this, so how am I incorrect?
     
  12. Undecided Banned Banned

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    They could try to locate the "moving warhead" by sattelite or someone infiltrated and then infiltrate commando's to neutralize them?

    Warhead means that once it is in flight, a warhead is part of a missile when it is on the ground. Secondly Israel would never, not even the US would be able to destroy these launchers before they launch their payload. At least not in time to make a difference, Iran is a HUGE country, and I don’t find it at all feasible that there would any chance for the US or Israel for that matter to effectively be able to neutralize these missiles. Tel Aviv is 1500 km away from Tehran, the missile range is 2000 km, Iran would have advanced warning of an Israeli attack, and the Israeli attack would be to small, and too late to have any practical effects.


    The US can't do it alone and maybe with Israel but with the help of EU countries like in Iraq, Iran doesn't stand a chance.

    The US is the only nation that can do it alone; Israel cannot do it without the US. The EU wouldn’t touch this with a 50ft poll; Iraq can’t even control itself how is it supposed to tame Iran? And Iran has the comparative advantage against the US and Israel now should these missiles be as advanced, as they are claimed to be.
     
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  13. Stokes Pennwalt Nuke them from orbit. Registered Senior Member

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    Because Arrow (like THAAD, SM-3, GBI, and MEADS) is a telemetry-command vectored intercept system, which is designed to thwart the threat of MARVs.
     
  14. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

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    im makign a prediction, the isralis will bring out an Arrow II missile that can shoot down the Iranian's new missile
    and then the Iranians will bring out an even newer missile
     
  15. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Because Arrow (like THAAD, SM-3, GBI, and MEADS) is a telemetry-command vectored intercept system, which is designed to thwart the threat of MARVs.

    To my knowledge the Israeli’s weren’t even contemplating the possibility of MARV’s. For instance how is this possible with a MARV:

    How can this be done if the warhead is always moving? IF there no constant “intercept point” and since the Iranians can retarget its warhead in mid-flight (which is also Russian tech) how is Israel supposed to defend itself? Oh yes the futility of ABM, and NMD. The Arrow is ok against a Scud, or a Shahab III-A, but not numerous moving targets going at supersonic speeds, and no real determined target. I will restate from the article:



    So no stokes, no system in the world can compensate for this technology. You’d just better hope NK doesn’t get this tech (which she probably will) because then NMD would be a total and complete waste.
     
  16. Stokes Pennwalt Nuke them from orbit. Registered Senior Member

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    You either didn't read what I posted, or you don't know what "telemetry-command vectored intercept" means.

    Which is it?
     
  17. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

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    stokes, you seem to know what u r talking about.
    seriously, what is to stop the israelies from creating a new missile that can counter this one?
     

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