Why the silence in the world about this?: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-10-05-mideast_x.htm From the article: The Palestinians pushed for the quick adoption of a U.N. Security Council resolution demanding an end to the massive Israeli thrust into the Gaza Strip, despite opposition by the United States. U.S. Ambassador John Danforth said Monday another Security Council resolution was not the answer and admonished the council which he said "acts as the adversary of the Israelis and cheerleader to the Palestinians." Are you kidding me?? cheerleader for the Palestinians? Well so much for the US being a fair negotiator between Israel and Palestinians
With this administration and the climate they have nurtured this is simply par for the course (next month perhaps that can be changed)
People are tired of the israeli/palestine debacle. It won't change next month. What do you know of Kerry's stances on the conflict? Maybe everyone is ignoring it now hoping it will just go away.
No I realize it won't change next month one way or the other but right now there is zero movement on the issue of getting isreal to cede an inch, which it must do in the end if it truly wants peace. I am kind of hoping that it can't get any worse if Kerry is elected (not exactly ringing with hope I know).
Carter did something... barely... and since him no other president was able to do shit, except fuck Israel over: *Raegan *Bush Sr. *Clinton *Clinton again *Bush jr Kerry, who is no leader, will not solve anything. from what I've seen, he's pretty pro-Israel. but he also wants to "pass the global test" (??) and make friends with all the terrorist nations in the world. how is he supposed to make a stand? i don't know... anyway, as for the latest operation against "Palestinian" terror, it's a farce, as usual. the PLO representative of a make-believe country called "Palestine" said that and the useful-idiot Colin Powell wanted more of a proportionate reaction: proportionate... ok, how about this: the IDF will set up rocket launchers on the green line, aim them blindly into "Palestinian" kindergartens and homes, and shoot away (after all, it's about liberation... in the words of most of the Arabs in the UN, [i'm paraphrasing]: the process of national liberation should not be included in the definition of terrorism). so, Sharon the Criminal, stop looking for terrorists. do something proportional for once: set up rocket launchers and indiscriminantly fire into population centres. [link: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/485435.html] as for my personal opinion, this Israeli operation is illegal. mostly because it is contrary to the UN's decisions and actions. Israel is undermining UN interests, you see. [more Coffee don't like it. meanwhile, the head of UNWRA candidly admits that UN employs hamas-members, and that there's nothing criminal about it. i think the UN bldg should be raided for there are WMDs in plain sight all over the place
Yes Israel...the state that bites the hands that feeds her. Always the example of how NOT to create a state.
I may be missing a few( i thought there were 69) but: Resolutions against Israel in the UN 1. Resolution 106: "...'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid" 2. Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people" 3. Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem" 4. Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions" 5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria" 6. Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control" 7. Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees" 8. Resolution 248: "...'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan" 9. Resolution 250: "...'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem" 10. Resolution 251: "...'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250" 11. Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital" 12. Resolution 256: "...'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"" 13. Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation" 14. Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport" 15. Resolution 265: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan" 16. Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem" 17. Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon" 18. Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem" 19. Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon" 20. Resolution 280: "...'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon" 21. Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon" 22. Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem" 23. Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon" 24. Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon" 25. Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon" 26. Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon" 27. Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty" 28. Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon" 29. Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon" 30. Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon' 31. Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces" 32. Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention" 33. Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon" 34. Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories" 35. Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program" 36. Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon" 37. Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return" 38. Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians" 39. Resolution 471: "...'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention" 40. Resolution 476: "...'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'" 41. Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'" 42. Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors" 43. Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility" 44. Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith" 45. Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon" 46. Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops" 47. Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon" 48. Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in" 49. Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon" 50. Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon" 51. Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut" 52. Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters 53. Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw" 54. Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops" 55. Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians 56. Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention 57. Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians" 58. Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians 59. Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians 60. Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount 61. Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations 62. Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians 63. Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return 64. Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians 65. Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return. The following are the resolutions vetoed by the United States during the period of September, 1972, to May, 1990 to protect Israel from council criticism: 1. ...condemned Israel's attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria..." 1. ...affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections..." 2. ...condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians..." 3. ...called for self-determination of Palestinian people..." 4. ...deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations..." 5. ...affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people..." 6. ...endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people..." 7. ...demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights..." 8. ...condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations..." 9. ...condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Masjid in the Old City of Jerusalem..." 10. ...urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon..." 11. ...urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut..." 12. ...urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon..." 13. ...condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace..." 14. ...deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal..." 15. ...condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression ..." 16. ...denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories..." 17. ...deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon..." 18. ...deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites..." 19. ...condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane..." 20. ...deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon..." 21. ...called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestnian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations..." 22. ...urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices..." 23. ...condemned Israel's... incursion into Lebanon..." 24. ...deplored Israel's... commando raids on Lebanon..." 25. ...deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians..." 26. ...deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians..." 27. ...demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada..." 28. ...called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands..." :m:
and to think Israel actually uses the UN in its favour to show Israels legitimicy, Zionists Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Obviously the UN wants everyone to solve their problems diplomatically, but that isn't always possible. Israel has a right to defend itself. Otheadp, we shouldn't make light of Clinton's efforts towards peace, they were considerable.
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surenderer, Since violence against Israel isn't state-sponsored, what kind of resolution would make any difference? Organizations like Hamas aren't members of the United Nations.
moreover, the NGOs that consistently have slammed Israel for everything, say that suicide bombings and sniping little babies in their strollers aren't even qualified as crimes against humanity because it's not state sponsored. as for the UN resolutions against Israel, 1) it shows you how institutionally and structurally flawed the UN is 2) the UN, collectively as an organization, should be ashamed of itself for having such disproportionate quantity and quality of resolutions against one member alone. i won't bother with listing other members' crimes and UN's responses WRT to the violations or violators... you can find all out for yourself you'd have to be blind to not see discrimination, singling out, and demonization whipping boys are useful, especially in today's world the thing is, the current UN, with its current members, and its current structure, is an organization which is obsolete, inadequate, and not only useless, but is harmful. it has outlived its usefulness in many ways it may have been useful 50 years ago, but not today as for being the judge, it has neither the authority nor the objectivity since all members involved are interesants. i.e. they have interests of their own in every resolution they vote on, which automatically makes them biased someone keeps saying that Israel continues to "violate international law" the Arab/Muslim voting block comes up with a GA resolution condemning this or that, and Israel then ignores that resolution, that constitutes a "violation of international law", doesn't it. or if US vetoes one of those SC resolutions, then Israel is also guilty? (because we all know that US's veto doesn't really count.. right?) well, i say fuck the UN because they employ Hamas members - and that surely don't make them objective - and they surely don't hold veto power of the security of Israeli citizens and state
yes but crazy Jewish settlers repeatedly killing, attacking, persecuting and vandalising Pali property arent counted either except in the cases when the soldier support them or watch idly by.
Why are you bitching so much about how bad the UN is Otheadp and Spider Goat since Israelis repeatedly use the UN to legitimise themselves. And the UN has to focus on Israel since it created it, its members support it, Israel is a member, and the most powerful UN member is supporting it. Also it is a "democracy". Also right and wrong decisions in Israel can affect the entire region and already there have been 5 wars over that cursed stain on the map called Israel so it is vital the UN focuses on Israel. And then of course there is the personal UN beef as Israel has shown serious violence to the UN staff in Israel. Not aswell that the same can be said about Israel. Why is it focusing so much on Arabs and ignore the Jews??
I'm not saying the UN is bad, it provides countries with an outlet for expression, and the means to negotiate peacefully if they so chose, with international legitimacy. Would we really want a strong, effective UN? I think not, it would mean that dissenting opinions get drowned out in favor of unity, and we all know the world is full of contrasting opinions. We need an international forum, even if it's usefullness is limited.
