Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Darth Vader Voice]"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant
when compared to the power of the Force."[/Darth Vader Voice]


Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

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I just have one thing to say:

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Well, since the universe is considered infinite, wouldn't it breka down like this? (infinite Star Wars universe) - (infinite Trek universe) = 0.

Everyone loses. Poor ewoks.

 

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True that. Perhaps specifying the galaxies would work better.

 

star wars would win .. all i have to say is .. eclipse class star detroyer. Whooooooo itd certainly buy that for a dollar!!

 

Quality vs Quantity, Carrot...Laser is an outdated technology to all Trek races since the development of phasers and SHIELDS. The only thing that would probably happen to a Trek ship facing a powerful enough LASER is maybe it'd be pushed back or some radiation poisoning on outder decks...
Besides which, I think the power ratings for Wars ships were pulled out of a hat, whereas Trek writers did a little research into achievable future goals...did any Wars fan ever think of what resources are required to carry 500 lasers at 300M GW each? I did...the results were staggering...I think if Wars went up against Trek they'd blow themselves to bits TRYING to fire

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Keeping in mind of course Nasor, that we're still dealing with two fictional realms

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Ohh...and don't forget the studies run by the Federation for the anti-proton emitter...antimatter in a beam form. A weapon that would destroy absolutely anything, shields, no shields, whatever...

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but Federation ships obviously are vulnerable to light-based weapons, since they are clearly vulnerable to photon torpedoes. The fact that the federation can’t figure out how to make a decent laser weapon doesn’t mean that they are invulnerable to light.

According to everything we know about physics it’s silly to imagine an energy cannon that can blow up an entire planet. Of course, according to what we know about physics it’s also silly to go faster than light.

 

Nasor....my bubble remains unbursted; a photon torpedo is not a directed energy weapon, it uses an antimatter reaction to cause an explosion. And phasers are MORE advanced than lasers and actually are different...Not recalling the episode right now, but Enterprise-D encountered a race that still used lasers and their weapons posed absolutely no threat to the shields...even when the flagship was outnumbered.

Oh and PS FTL applications are being researched present day, so it's not quite so silly.

 

TREK TECH: Phasers, uses a Trek tech called Phased Energy Rectification. It is a nadion beam, a subatomic particle that when in rapid motion (as in a beam) releases strong enough energy to break apart nuclear bonds. Lasers use excited electrons, which would mean that they BURN rather than SEPERATE (someone on this thread worked with lasers...would appreciate a comment on that last statement).
Shields were developed way back when in Trek so duh they can block laser weapons. Nadion particles would be tougher hence rotating shield frequencies.

 

PS folks, heavens to Sarek, I can't believe my spelling errors lol agolopies

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When antimatter comes into contact with regular matter and annihilates the only product is light, so any damage that they do would have to be from the intense light pulse. That's probably why they're called photon torpedoes.

I recall that episode. But it's silly to think that federation ships are immune to all laser-based weapons simply because the enterprise wasn't vulnerable to the weapons of a single technologically inferior race. The empire's technology is far, far more advanced than the federation's, let alone the tech of the weakling race from that episode.

 

Um, Nasor, dude, no no...an antimatter-matter rxn produces gamma rays, heat and light and variable particle "residue", the annihiliation however is 100% efficient...

Read my tech post of phaser vs laser, that offers an explanation of why the Federation will persevere against Wars 'turbo lasers'...again assuming that the Empire's ships don't blow up trying to fire

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BTW The name "photon" torpedo is a nickname that caught on in Starfleet since the matter-antimatter rxn yields massive amounts of 'photonic' energy across the EM spectrum which includes gamma rays.

Ready for the next one...

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wow, is this debate still going on?

Anyway, one significant tech from Star Trek no one's really mentioned, that I thought would play a big diference in any battle: their photon/quantum torpedo sustainer engines. Basically it allows a torpedo to "borrow" a bit of the ship's warp field to fly at warp speeds. They were mentioned in a TNG episode, the one guest-starring David Ogden Stiers. They launched a torpedo at a sun from millions of miles away, and the torpedo hit within seconds.

Ie, Trek torpedoes can be used as FTL missiles, as was also shown in the first encounter with the Borg. Trek ships could stand off on the other side of a star system and hit the Star Wars ships with relative impunity, especially given that Star Wars sensors seem little better than radar.

And to respond to an earlier argument: once again, Star Wars ships weapons do NOT propagate gigatons worth of energy. Ships in the movies have hit unshielded targets, and the explosive plumes are the same size as when they hit the shields, ie, no bigger than what a tank shell nowadays could do. Just as an example, remember the proton torpedo, a supposedly multimegaton weapon, Luke shot on his first run at the Death Star? It hit the surface, and caused an explosion much, much smaller than even a kiloton-level nuke. There are a bunch of similar examples. There's simply no evidence for hundred-gigaton weapon energies anywhere in the movies outside the Death Star.

 

Or for that matter, is the rebel fighters had weapons in the megaton/gigaton range, as some people here have said is needed to penetrate Star Wars shields, why did they bother targeting that little vent once they were inside the Death Star's defensive shields? Just a few volleys of their supposedly gigaton-level weapons would have been enough to vaporize the Death Star outright. There were no shields on the Death Star's surface; neither the rebel fighters nor the Star Destoryer that crashed into it encountered anything except hull, and Luke would never have made that shot into the vent in the first place if there were.

Or how about anakin highjacking that fighter in Phantom menace and taking it aboard the Trade federation vessel? Now remember, this is a space fighter, and would have had its weapons calibrated to do as much damage to an enemy vessel as possible. If the Star Wars boosters are right, to have any chance of damaging the Empire's supposedly powerful shields, its weapons would need an energy yield at least equivalent to a multi-megaton nuclear bomb. But Anakin fires that fighters' weapons INSIDE the federation ship, with no shields anywhere, and amazingly not only is the ship not vaporized instantly, but most of the bay is left intact, as if someone had simply thrown a few grenades around.

Sorry, claims of weapon energies of up to 200 megatons just do not add up with all the evidence shown on screen.

 

Light in the only product of a matter/antimatter explosion. Yes, some of that light is in the form of gamma rays. Any heat produced is merely the result of nearby matter absorbing the light.

I read it, but you never explain why federation phasers would be better than imperial turbo-lasers. Ok, so phasers are a 'nadion beam'. So what? The fact remains that in terms of shear destructive power, imperial weapons are obviously far superior. You seem to have fallen victim to the fallacy of thinking that a technology makes a better weapon just because it's more 'exotic'.

You can try to use whatever technobabble you want to justify why federation weapons would be superior, but the fact remains that the empire can make energy cannons that destroy entire planets in a single blast - something that the federation couldn't even dream of. It seems obvious that their weapons are superior.

 

The 200 GT number was for heavy capitol ship guns, not the weapons on fighters. The heavy guns on star destroyers are described are being 50 meters long - since the gun is a lot bigger than an entire fighter, of course it will probably have more punch than the fighter's weapons. Trying to compare the heavy turbo-lasers on a star destroyer to the weapons on a fighter is like trying to compare the .50 caliber machine guns on a P-51 fighter to a 12-inch naval gun.

There are actually very few examples of SW heavy turbo lasers hitting unshielded targets. The only ones that come to mind are the asteroid scene in The Empire Strikes Back and a scene of a star destroyer being hit in Return Of the Jedi. The asteroids were all completely vaporized in a single hit, meaning that the power of the guns would have to be in the kiloton range, minimum. In 'Jedi there's a scene of a (apparently undamaged) star destroyer being hit by a single shot, which results in it being completely blown apart. There might very well be others that I'm forgetting, so feel free to correct me if I'm missing some.

 

Here's the problem with this: 'Wars shields, for the most part(I'm sure there's some exceptions) are designed against the energy weapons in general use. You remember the big battle scene on Naboo in Episode one? The blaster cannons weren't doing anything to the sheilds the Gungans had up. But the droids marched right through. What happened in A New Hope was that the fighters flew below the deflector shields, allowing them to shoot stuff. If you go back and watch it again, you'll note that they talk about shooting at deflector towers, which generate the shields.

I just remembered, there are exceptions. Shield technology is used as a permeable barrier for space docks and such, like in 'Trek. The big difference I see is that there's no difference in 'Trek shields, which means that Luke's trick wouldn't work against the Enterprise.

 

Nasor, in the same fashion that "fancy technology" doesn't show superiority (your point not mine), sheer power doesn't necessarily demonstrate it too. Phasers are better than turbo-lasers because the Empire has NO defense against it. They defend against lasers with static shielding or sheer hull mass, phasers will cut through those like wet paper. In an all out brawl, I might concede that the sheer power of the turbo lasers might cause radiation damage and even casualties after a while, but all that while phasers, (FTL) photon torpedos, quantum torpedos, transphasic torpedos, antimatter spreads, deflector arrays, cloaking devices etc will give the Federation a distinct edge.
That aside, the Federation is just as deadly as the Empire, they just don't allow it on TV. Look up the secret service Section 31 of the Federation, eg one of their agents reprogrammed Voyager to kill everyone who didn't seek the interests of the Federation (ie harboring Seven of Nine), look up the Genesis device, where refined into a waveform would forcibly terraform a planet and everyone on it...actually it would transform the Death Star and Death Star II into bio-mush and nothing stops it. Look up the Warp cannon, used on Deep Space 10, power to vaporize a Borg Cube in one shot. Nuff said on that.