universal existance?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Relative, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. Relative Registered Member

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    I just wanted to through a question out there to get a discussion going.

    Why do you people believe a universe exists in the first place?

    I would like both religious and secular responses.

    there is nothing better than a good arguement right?
     
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  3. Relative Registered Member

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    I just want to know what others out there are thinking about our whole embodiment in what we call life.
     
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  5. EvilSquirrel Interesting Infidel Registered Senior Member

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    Oye! You don't have a clue how much I've heard about this today. Ugh, we even got on this discussion during french class...How, I still do not know....Wait a minute..Yes I do we were discussing the wiccan religion...But for this moment, I'm outie. I'll wait for the discussion to start up, then I'll jump in.
     
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  7. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    I think it exists because I'm under the impression that I'm experiencing it right now. Now too, and so forth. It's quite possible that at some point it will stop existing to me.
     
  8. EvilSquirrel Interesting Infidel Registered Senior Member

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    Heh, that's one way to exsplain it. One of the more simpler ways. I like it.
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Because if it didn't where would you be?
     
  10. Relative Registered Member

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    thats too close minded to say of course if it weren't here,we would be somewhere else
     
  11. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    I go with the "I think therefore I am" logic, with one caveot - I admit my own ability to be wrong.

    I don't really believe that the universe exists or not. I hold of my ultimate judgement on that question because while exising inside this universe, it's really impossible to know for sure one way or the other.
    I assume, however, that it does exist, simply for the sake of the functionality which that assumption provieds me on a daily basis.

    There is a chance that the universe doesn't exist. In such an existance, what I percieve as reality is incorrect, and subsequently, true existance is different from how I understand it. Awareness would mean something different, death would mean something different, life itself would mean something different.

    However, while entrenched in this existance, as the only one that I can see, I have certain things that I must take care of: food, water, shelter, etc. If I were to truely believe that this universe didn't exist (due to either evidence or faith), then I would have no true motivation to deal with the requirements of this 'false' universe : this would not be the true reality, so there would be no need to expend energy on it.
    And while still in this plane of existance, because of my supposed understanding of its facad-nature, I would largely end up suffering a great deal. My body would be neglected, my family would feel rejected, and my friends would leave.

    Because I do not have any evidence for an additional, more 'true' universe than this one, and because I have no faith in such an existance, I do not leave this universe to its own devices.

    I do not believe that this universe exists or not. But until I have a reason to believe that it does not, I will follow the abject evidence that it does exist, and I will make sure that I eat and breath daily. I do not 'believe' in this universe, I choose it because it is in front of me.

    /end spiritual answer to a philosophical question.
     
  12. Relative Registered Member

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    good point, well taken
     

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