Folks, I have to tell on myself ... I've been mean ... On my way to the library, a few moments ago, I met two Mormon chickies. I felt dowright threatened by their approaching, it was like being attacked by a kennel of rabid dogs. Both of them were taller than me, bigger and with all that hair -- they looked like a big bulk approaching me. Yeah, "the workings of the spirit". So one of them started to speak, in her sorry excuse of what was supposed to be Slovene, my native language, and all I could utter was, in English, with an infallible American accent: "Your Slovene sucks!" -- and went my way. I later on felt a bit sorry -- for I could have given them some arguments, some I've learned here, that would really really get to them. Huh.
Don't worry rosie. They found happiness and bliss in god. You can treat them as bad as you want. They will go to heaven.
Ah, Mormons. It is such a pleasure to debate them, because they really believe in what they preach, and it is so easily torn apart by a rational mind. Joseph Smith was a trickster and a con man, he got murdered by an angry mob (managing to shoot dead two of them), and his family got screwed over by Brigham Young. Nice way to start a church, eh?
Do they have a lot of Mormons in your country? They do here. Mostly in the state of Utah. I met a number of them over the years because they are sent all over the country (and to other counteries) to do missionary work and I have met them from time to time. In America, which is that religions birthcountry, there seem to be only 2 types of Mormens. Ones that grew up in Utah and were born and raised Mormon and those who converted and had a checked past. The mormons highest success rate (I have asked them this question) is with troubled people. Drug addicts, pretty crimminal histories, young kids on their own for first time ect...vunderable people. As part of their recruiting mission they are there to "save" these lost souls and these people are by far the most receptive to their ideals or any ideals that are moral based. The morman code of conduct is very strict. The morman males cannot talk to woman alone in a room, they group is not allowed to casual date (ie casual sex) or associate intimatly outside the morman cirlces unless it is for recruitment and cannot have anything that could be intrepreted as sexual in any way. Like woman in bikinis on their wall for example. In America marriages are arranged and only after the man has done his missionary work. If they cannot convert you they are not likely to speak with you further. I worked with a woman whom was morman whom, when she found I was not convertable stopped talking to me. I mean completely ignored me when I was in the same office (it was at work) with her. What is interesting is the Morman accuastion based on morality. The mormans take one who is below their moral standards and than intragrate them on the idea they will raise their standards or make them compatable to the Churches. The recipents, by nature of the verbal contract agree to this stipulation. I wonder what the success rate is for rention after 1 year, 2 years and 5 years. And if it is successful (with less drug use, petty crime ect) is there a fromula that can taken from it that can be applied to other drug treatment centers.?
Really, Rob? I'd read they do most of their conversions from other Christians. And technically, they're not Mormons, but Latter Day Saints. And Rosa ... good call with the polite "Shut the fuck up." Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
There are a lot of them here in this part of northern California. The copy machine repair business I worked for until recently was owned by them, and the owners son (who I worked with fairly often) was devout. I've been to a number of their temples now to repair copy machines. I've been mistaken for a Mormon many times myself. I seem to look like one. The contradiction is that the religion is so strange, yet the follwers are so white bread normal. I always joke that it is Christianity on acid. Just rearrange the letters L.D.S. Have any of you seen the Southpark about Mormons?
There directive as it was explained to me by them, is active recruitment. They spend a lot of time trying to recruit any non morman. It is like a jehovah's witness or door to door salesmen. If they feel their pitch isn't sinking in after so many visits they move on and you are forgotten. I suspect they have qoutas but have never been brave enough to ask. Hey maybe they do get other Christians more. I met a pair in Cali and they seem to have great success with people one step from sanity via drugs. It was just one area though it can't represent them on the whole.
Repo you are in Chico!! i love that town. I lived in gridley for a while with an ex gf..it is between yuba city and chico. Yea that is where i met mormans too.....very strong influence in northern cali. Trivia about Chico....it has the oldest jujutsu school in the mainland united states. http://ryuzado.com/history.html
www.whatismormonism.com Check out that website, and throw some of that stuff at 'em if they ever attempt to "enlighten you". I can't believe how many contradictions there are about Mormonism that just PROVES that it is all bullshit. Faith is belief in the absence of evidence. Mormonism has so much contradictory evidence that to have faith in the religion is to be either ignorant or the willingness to believe in the face of OVERWHELMING evidence against the faith, and when I say overwhelming, I mean overwhelming. Check out the link if you want to see how much there is. Also, I feel like I should tell ya'll about this. I've met and heard stories of a couple of Mormons who are completely nuts. One of 'em threatened to shoot me with a shotgun if I ever came to his house, based upon some rumor that I was "rude to his mother over the telephone" which wasn't true in the first place. For the most part though I think they're good people, but the ones that are nuts are really NUTS.
Heh. Well, I don't know if they were Mormons, but some religious door-to-door types came by yesterday. A bunch of kids, the oldest probably 14. Trying to use guilt and the mothering instinct to force you to listen to the spiel (remember that talk, Rosa?). I just looked at them and said, "Pass." It's not even worth my time to humiliate them or try to shake their faith. I know I could do the first easily and the second possibly. while I may not shake their faith, I know I could introduce them to paradoxes that their faithful minds never considered. Rosa. You've spoken against Mormons several times. At first I thought you were a sensible atheist. I've since determined that you are a believer. Do you have a faith? Greek orthodox or Eastern Orthodox or something? Icons and such? I imagine that Slovenia is one of the countries of Eastern Europe that has changed hands between christians and muslims down the years, eh? Is there still a religious schism in your area? Hmm. Off-topic I suppose. Oh well.
LOL! Don't worry about it Rosa. Most normal people feel as you do when approached by Mormons and others, especially Jehovah's witnesses, who are known to also hunt in pairs or packs. It's a good intimidation tactic. Arguing with them usually fails. They tend to become very excited and bring out the bible, and believe me, it never ends. Some of them even become very aggressive. I now don't even bother and just tell them I'm a Satanist and start preaching to them about the love and might of Satan. And then I just stand back with some amusement as they go pale and run in the opposite direction. Don't stress about it Rosa, you were polite compared to most others.
aaw, how cute why don't any mormons approach me? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! maybe it's the look... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
=_ rosa you'll be dead in 34.25 days. they already have a tracker in your left naustrel... there is only one true way of escape... cut the left naustrel off and run like hell... sry but it's the sad truth. but a/ws can you sign me onto your will pls ^^^
Sorry for the delay, everybody. Firts of all, I have quite some experience with Mormons, I have been around Mormon missionaries for about two years, also teaching them the native language here. [Now, don't scold me, alright.] In that time, I have learned, first hand, what their niceness and "love" are about. I know some of their inside intricaties, the lies, the manipulation, the coldness and stiffness of people who would like to give the impression of being loving and understanding people. I have good reasons to resent them. Based on evidence of what I have experienced with them. They treat us as if we were a problem they have to solve. They don't treat us as people. This makes me furious, and this is why I sometimes wish to get into an argument with them -- to bring them to the edge. To bring them to the point where they say "Yes, doing nothing *is* love." (One missionary actually said this to me in these very words.) And then repeat this bloody sentence for so long that they would *hear* it. No, there are about 200 members; and about 30 missionaries in my country. (But Slovenia is a small country, only 2 million people.) But one can often see those misionaries in towns. The thing is that those on the edge are usually in such a poor state that they would accept *any* help. It is totally not the Mormons' credit. The Mormons just have the most organized recruting net, that's all. ork. Yes, I noticed that. It was just that I was too useful to them, and also too nice. They had troubles writing me off. I challenged their order of things -- for how can someone who is not a member of their Church be a good person? One girl even said, "There are good an honorable people in this world -- and they aren't even members of my Church!" Apparently, she grew up with the idea that being a member of her Chruch is the condition if you want to be a good and honorable person. She discarded me later on too though. Yes, it's striking. But only at first glance. There is an immense cruelty and hardheartedness behind those smiles. Yes. And the funny thing is that Mormons do know Southpark! I knew three missionaries who knew all the episodes and were huge SP fans. But these three chaps were regarded more or less as troublemakers. Needless to say, they were by far the most interesting of all the Mormons I knew. I don't care if they believe even in Martians. My point is that they do not treat people with respect, they try to rape everyone with their religion. They are aggressive in a manner that no other religion is. They are mostly nice, and will never flat out say something to offend you -- yet they persist, they do as if they don't hear you, they can't listen and they don't listen, they just go on with their way as if we are stupid, mindless, heartless things -- and they have the "holy mission" to bring us to the "right path". They give us no credit whatsoever. They do as if they knew better about everything. Imagine, an 18-year old brat is trying to tell me what the meaning of life is! It's preposterous. No, their faith is unshakeable, this is one of its main properties. They will sooner discard you, a fellow person, rather than re-think their position. Yes, I have. I have reasons to resent them, as I said above. Hm? First of all, you ought to learn more about those religions with "icons". Secondly, I don't belong to any "organized religion". I simply do not tolerate people who do as if they are better than anyone else; people who call themselves full of love -- and yet have so little of it. No, Slovenia is traditionally strictly catholic. Christianity reigns here since the 8th or 9th century, there never was a Muslim reign here. No, I felt that I should have said something else. I have good reasons to resent Mormons, and I should have spoken them. I don't care. I am well-prepared for that. I'm not stressing about it. You miss that, don't you? There is a certain, maybe even perverted pleasure in wanting to meet those who are out to harm you in one way or another. A thrill, a challenge -- who will get whom? Who will outsmarten whom? Damn, I love that sort of challenge too. Quite likely. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! You look to die for, and ... not everyone would die for you. Heh. Oh, so that you would inherit my intoxicating petals? (Scivillage trivia.) Maybe. If you'll behave.
ermm... I mean I'm quite scary! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! black leather, firecross, silver and all... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Nah, you did not look that scary on your pictures. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Anyway, I am glad that there are no mormons in Germany, now if we could get rid of Jehova´s wittnesses... But mormons must be a real pain in the ass.
Well, you don't look scary to me ... But maybe I am under the influence of that kitten you held in your arms ...
Dreamy, What do you mean -- there are no Mormons in Germany?! I know there is a temple there, the nearest that those from my country go to.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! -okok , I'm not scary at all, but that be our little secret. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! though mormons could still find me scary. -- anyways on topic! there aren't many mormons in latvia but there are quite a few jehovas witnesses and very many from an organisation who calls themselves New Generation Have you heard anything of it? Basically they go for that you should give all the fruits of your labour to the church and that they will help you in everything. They use mass hypnosis and don't let people out of their circles usually. I've got a few friends that saw it from inside. All of them freaked out and later laughed and them. All were threteanded. It's a sect and under police monitor, but hardly anything can be proven! Our last minister of Finances was from their sect and he even had given some of the profits of the bank he was the head of prior to becoming a minister (that was a partially state owned bank). Many religious wackos got into our parlament in the last elections. Shows more flaws in democacy -> when people are too stupid to vote. That's why I like ancient Greek city states -> you had to be a citizen to vote and that was great honour and responsibility and people took it very seriously.
