Space Craft submission..

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Acerbus, Dec 3, 2001.

  1. Acerbus Wanderer of the Wastes Registered Senior Member

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    post your ideas for any type of space craft useing any type of eninge be it a space tug emergency escape vehicle(eev) or an interstelllar cruiser. please specify at the top what typd of craft it is supposed to be..

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    Long Term Colony Transport

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    the entire ship rotates around its central axis down the center of the cylinder is the light source. liveing space/farms ect is on the inside curvature of the cylinder if anyone has ever read the RAMA series by arthur c. clarke then you know what im talking about.
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  3. xvenomousx Registered Senior Member

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    A simple space ship would be a giant dish/parachute like structure tethered to a small centre module trailing behind.
    Small nuclear charges, or antimatter, or perhaps a combination including fusion are fired towards the dish, detonating inside the perfect parabodial shape, the kick pushes on the dish and pulls the crew module with it.
    Advantages of this is that the crew module is suficiently far away from the nuclear or antimatter blast (perhaps several kilometres) it is easy to shield from the radiation emissions from such a engine. Also the structure wouldn't need to be able to contain such a force and energies.

    You can draw little ones of this craft like this o<) o>)
     
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  5. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Acerbus ...

    The simplest 'space ship' of all: A spore!

    Gives me a chuckle whenever I think about the ferocity of the
    winds on Mars and the people that fail to realize that were
    there to be 'microscopic' life on Mars, we would have already
    been 'visited' if a bit of luck came into play.

    Take care.

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  7. xvenomousx Registered Senior Member

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    Yet more ideas:

    Most design ideas for starships seem to incorporate huge ships just to support a few hundred people. This to me is silly. I think less is more.

    In my mind the best way would be to make a starship as small as possible, and have as much as possibly operated autonomously (by robots etc).
    Theres alot of worry about long duration missions is how a handfull of people would stand being couped up in a small space for years on end.
    But then again for most of human history mankind has lived in small nomadic groups or more stationary family clans. In many cases never venturing far from where they were born at all.

    Until the begining of this century small groups of hardy explorers endured months isolated on sailing ships to travel around the world. Sometimes not setting foot on land for years.
    Even the average individual in a urban city has a very small network of friends they regularily interact with anyway. And nobody I know who shares an apartment with others has any long term problems living in the same small space.

    So it seems we could get away with a skeleton crew in a small starship. Smaller means faster, which cuts journey times to another star from 20 years plus to 10 years or less.

    To give the crew plenty to do (there would be alot of science to do but they need to play as well) a powerfull virtual reality system could give them more room to "play in". Acting as an escape from the confines of a small habitat.

    There is a risk with a long duration starship journey, is that the next generation of faster starships will overtake you, or that technology back on earth will race ahead and the crew miss out on new things. To beat the first problem you'd have to have an agreement that if a faster ship can catch up it rendevous with it and collects the crew.
    Data such as news, movies, digitsed books, TV, new software and games could be beamed out to the starship so they could keep up to date (however they would eventually be many years behind because of the imense distance). Perhaps plans and specifications for new devices (such as microchips and other machinery) could be transmitted too, and with an assortment on manurfacturing equipment and raw materials the crew could update and improve their starship.

    A colony vessel need not carry all the living people needed for a breeding gene pool at the destination. As long exposure to interstellar radiation - even well sheilded would have damaged the DNA of the crew. So they could perhaps carry millions (perhaps billions) of samples of DNA encoded digitally and a DNA replicating machine. The recreated DNA - saved from damage by radiation, could then be inserted into blank eggs to create whatever species of creature you wish

    When the vessel arrives at the destination star system, manurfacturing robots and equipment could mine resources and build new habitat and build more starships to go on to more systems. The habitats, settlements and vessels are populated by the newly born people who carry out the task of building a infrastructure in the new star system.

    This is the shotgun approach to colonisation. With all the extrasolar science, interstellar exploration, and colonisation all achieved in one shot, rather than sending lots of unmanned probes and follow up manned missions. Just about every field of science would benefit from a effective mobile laboratory sent out across light years of space.

    At the current exponential rate of progress (computers double in power every 18 months, robotics has come further in 20 years than mother nature did in 3 billion years of evolution). In about 20 years time we'll have the technology to build self-replicating machines that could assist on such a voyage. Nuclear fusion, solar sails and other such star drives have yet to be developed and are the major hurdle.
    If we sent these machines to our own solar system, the could manurfacture anything, using the power of the sun or nuclear power, and send it back to earth. High power high quality electronics and materials could be raining down in capsules.. for free.

    Its such a worthy investment in the future of our race and planett its a project all of mankind should work on. 200-300 billion dollars worth of investment would return almost infinite rewards.
     
  8. xvenomousx Registered Senior Member

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    spore's might be then answer to the fermi paradox

    perhaps theres nanomachines hiding in bucky balls that cruise the universe?
     
  9. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    Nice try Acerbus

    Yeah, like I am going to give you MY ideas for a spacecraft so that while you are on the cover of TIME magazine for revolutionizing space travel and worshipped as the one mind most pivotal in the destiny of all mankind, I will be selling "KNIGHT RIDER" T-shirts in the dimly lit streets of some third world country.
     
  10. Ultramarine Registered Member

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    First off, since faster than light travel is relatively impossible, after all going that fast, what do u think it would do to ur ship if you hit even just a spec of dust? The answer to this is most likely wormholes. If mankind was able to atificially, or natural trigger a wormhole, hell we'd be able to travel pretty far.
    A device, like a ring, would most likely be needed to make these wormholes. So all you have to do is load the biggest ship available with supplies to make a number of wormholes, make one, go through, make another once ur there. They be linked then. Voila, get from one place to another really damned fast. Just keep randomly going through the hole, making rings, and before too long, u got a frickin network of interlinked wormholes.
     
  11. Acerbus Wanderer of the Wastes Registered Senior Member

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    aww..you found me out mach! if you look at the ship i presented since its just a combination of other ideas its basic! doesnt tell you what type of drive it has or anything important. ultra thats why you have a shield to protect yourself from the dust.
     
  12. Ultramarine Registered Member

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    you make a good point, but still...humans may invent an engine to go that fast before we invent a shield to fix it. Thats why we call ourselves humans.
     
  13. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Mechanical devices require so much energy. It will prove more efficient to <b>project human mind, perception into the cosmos</b> rather than encasing our bodies within a protective shell. In a way, we have been practicing this method for a number of years--probes.
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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  15. xvenomousx Registered Senior Member

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    Wormholes may not be able to be used for space travel. If you open a wormhole, where does it go to?

    A wormhole could go into a anti-gravity universe, or perhaps a negiative universe - one where its possible to be a negative distance from the wormhole mouth. It may go to a entirely different universe perpendicular to our own.
    More likely it goes to a random location in our own universe. The surface space is so contorted and folded on a tiny scale opening a random natural wormhole from the quantam foam would take you somewhere random. Wormholes going shorter distances would be more common than ones across light years, and ones across billions of light years could be a once in a million year event. So to go from point A to B you'd have to wait for wormhole to pop up with a mouth close to point B.
     
  16. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Compressing the space behind a vehicle then releasing it (allowing the compressed space to expand much like a spring) might be an alternative. Would that not send the vehicle and its surrounding space into forward motion?
     
  17. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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  18. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    Wormholes.

    Xvenomousx, I have learned from personal experierience that all wormholes actually lead to HAROLDS DELI on Gay Street in Knoxville, TN. On any given day at Harolds, you can watch business people, dancers, small fishing vessels and various assorted left-socks come shooting out of a swirling mass of light energy and onto some poor guys pastrami and rye sandwich.
     

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