Rape in animals?

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  1. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    If not then what about more secretion or any pH differance on aggressiveness?

    Previously, we were according to SOF, what was the logic behind the female attraction towards aggressive males because of their strength and determination? Was it a inbuild test/judgement for better offsprings? Does it happens in other species(fighting looks to be there for this).

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    Do we also get some kind of indigestion/imbalance, when we do/go fast in sex(not aggressive)?

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  3. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    I really don't think pH in the body can have such widespread effects do you?! Why are u so interested in pH anyway?!

    Females want an agressive man because he will be able to protect her and her offspring at theirmost vulnerable moments. There's also the element of being a better hunter etc.
    This sexual selection for vigour happens in most species.
     
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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Rape could be a stable evolutionary strategy. Ironically this means that it wouldn't be a stable strategy if this was the only strategy, but there could be a balance between the strategy of rape and the strategy of being a good providing husband.
     
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  7. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Rape may not be the only stable evolutionary strategy in nature also. Animals/birds or other species may also be doing something else( love..etc.), other than just aggression/rape. Aggression can be one natural aspect. However, making love & doing aggression/voilance--can both together be the strategy of being a good providing husband in nature, but it may not be in society.
     
  8. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    It represent 'environment' & environment can mean everything or basis of basics. Consider pH role in gender selection, prostatic acid phosphatase (an enzyme found primarily in men in the prostate gland and semen to determine the health of the prostate gland. Prostate dysfunction results in the release of PAP into the blood.) There can be a link between low pH(acidity) & aggresiveness & prostatic fluid release.

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    "This sexual selection for vigour happens in most species." This is most important to think & judge. Females in other/most species may not be so weak, physically, as is considered in humans (Nature made it or we made it, I can't comment). Why then it so happen in most other species?
     
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  9. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    We may have to look GIT pH bit deeply.
     
  10. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    In those species, the females are the aggresive ones

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  11. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    All may have to contribute for better selection & reproductions(obiously, for pleasure also a gift/return-gift, alongwith

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    ). However, it is becoming difficult for me to convince even about male aggresiveness, do you want to go furthur towards other natural initiation?

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  12. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Do the pre-aggresions/hard-excercises, for all or most needs for natural survivals & growth, are common in other species than humans? Some can be like searching for foods, hunting, tree climbings,snatching/stealing sex-voilances/aggresiveness..etc.? Trolling for knowledge/treasure can be also a pre-aggresion/hard-excercise(all may not agree but true).

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    Why all these are linked to pre-aggresions/hard-excercises? Is there any scientific reason for it?
     
  13. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    Aggression will only be selected for if it can provide an advantage to the individual.
     
  14. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Does it mean that non-aggressive selections can be somewhat less advantageous?
     
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  16. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    There is no such thing as a less-advantageous selection!
     
  17. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    It is not only myself, who only know it. But I am just indicationg that aggressiveness can also be natural or for better natural selection. Same species like humans can be Veg. or non-veg, alkaline or acidic.
     
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  18. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    John, I think you are right. It may be possible that aggresive ones may select non-aggressive ones and opposite to balance & for advantageous natural selection. However, it may be bit resisted/restricted/altered in society.
     
  19. darktr00per Registered Senior Member

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    Rape is a human definition that cannot be interpreted by animals. They are not sentien beings. They DO NOT live by are standards of ethics and morals. They dont know neither cant they react to such human things like "rape".
     
  20. darktr00per Registered Senior Member

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    Might want to change it to "evolution and hybrid procreation" not rape
     
  21. talk2farley Registered Senior Member

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    Brilliant question, Rosa. Theoretically, human legal edict is based on the ideal that a given individual does not have the right to strip another individual of his or her natural rights, those being the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (God bless America :m: ). Your question asks not whether or not such suppositions are valid, but whether animals share our instinctual understanding of moral right. My freshman year at university, a wrote a paper which attempted to prove that moral rights and wrongs in human society were a natural product of evolution in any social being. That is, as social creature, humans rely on other humans to survive, just as a pride of lions relies on the other members of the pride to survive. Once an individual within the collective acts against the common good of the group, the group is threatened, and the individual is ostracized, either directly or indirectly as a result of his crime. Either way, his or her life is inevitably forfeit. Bearing that in mind, and definidng rape as, broadly, the engaging in of nonconsensual sexual acts, we can determine that:

    Animals are capable of rape. Humans, at the least, do so, and humans are an animal.

    Rape is unacceptable. It challenges the social precepts established by evolution which allow social creatures to survive, acting as a group.

    In a pride of lions, rape may be defined as an outsider male engaging in intercourse with the females of a pride under another males control. Doing so may not meet the standards of rape within human society, but poses no less a threat to the prides survival than the act of rape as we (humans) understand it. And thus, to the pride, to a lion, this is an unacceptable course, and one which must be resolved by trial (trial by combat for the poor primitive lions

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    ) and punishment for the guilty party.

    So, do animals rape? Yes, but as in humans it is not the natural state of affairs and is not part of Mother Natures grand plan, hence our (and there) innate abhorrence of those who commit it. But, depending on the social norms of a given species, and the relation of these norms to sexual behaviors, what is rape for a given animal may not be rape for another.
     
  22. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Let us understand this concept by understanding the dict. meaning of differant words/aspects related to it:-

    Rape: to have sexual intercourse with a woman without her consent and chiefly by force or deception.

    Violence: exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in effecting illegal entry into a house).

    Aggression:a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master.

    Vigor: active bodily or mental strength or force : intensity of action or effect : FORCE.

    What do you comment, what actually animal do?

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  23. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I guess nobody bothers with viable biological concepts anymore.
     

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