The Islamo Arab MASTERS & it's Euro Slaves

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  1. Undecided Banned Banned

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    You don't get what I am saying; the fence/wall is not the problem, comprende? The problem is where that fence is position on the ground; it’s changing the reality on the ground illegally. History proves that injustice no matter how long or how arduous will be met with a fate of that of death.

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    East Germany, and Sovietism can vouch for that, Zionism and Israel is no different.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    nothing is fated to happen, even if it has happened before does not mean it will happen again.
     
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  5. Undecided Banned Banned

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    nothing is fated to happen, even if it has happened before does not mean it will happen again.

    The stoics, and Nietzsche would like to disagree with you, and even God. The destruction of Israel is fated to happen in Christian ethics…
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Really I thought really religious Christians wanted Israeli to grow to its biblical size and then Jesus would come back and smite all the infidel (including most of the Jews)?
     
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    The first part is true in their believe.
    The secont part is an Arabist cheap attempt to "equate" between the two religions.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What I'm a "Arabist" now? Hey that's what I have heard, I'm not saying I'm a thorough believer in it or that I advocate it.
     
  10. Kiwi123 Banned Banned

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    Sorry but if you followed the Arab Muslim "Palestinian" LYING Propaganda you'd remember that they were against the entire FENCE idea, this "land" WHINE, is no less an excuse then when they massacred the First CHAIN OF EVENTS there: 1929 Arab Massacre in Hebron on NATIVE Jews in the Holy Land, More

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    Dear Undecided!

    Are you referring to injustice to Non Arab Muslims there?
    Plus the years of injustice in the Bias Arab Muslim Propaganda OCCUPIED UN? & it's silly bias 'resolutions'?

    The Vital FENCE that saves Lives
     
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  11. Kiwi123 Banned Banned

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    I said the 'attempt' was.
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    then can you explain why the Christian extremist here (in the USA) love Israel so much?
     
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    Sorry but if you followed the Arab Muslim "Palestinian" LYING Propaganda you'd remember that they were against the entire FENCE idea, this "land" WHINE,

    I am against the fence as well because Israel not Palestine will suffer from that wall. It de-legitimatizes the Israeli state. Also supposedly the Israeli’s say this is only a temporary wall, buttocks you don’t spend $1 billion on a temporary wall. Support for Israel is already slipping, soon it would not exist. So keep on playing like a pariah, these are acts of a completely desperate state. You are stealing their land, it is a land grab that’s the problem.

    is no less an excuse then when they massacred the First CHAIN OF EVENTS there

    Sorry but the first shot in this Isr/Pal conflict started in 1967 with Israel’s illegal invasion of their land.

    Are you referring to injustice to Non Arab Muslims there?

    I am referring to the fact that Israel building this wall for one reason, to make the Pals lives so bad that they want to leave voluntarily. Israel knows that kicking them out would be looking bad, we aren’t stupid people.

    WCF

    Really I thought really religious Christians wanted Israeli to grow to its biblical size and then Jesus would come back and smite all the infidel (including most of the Jews)?


    Yes and Jesus will get rid of Jews and others but Jews mostly because you defied G-d when you went to settle that land before the predestined time.
     
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    then can you explain why the Christian extremist here (in the USA) love Israel so much?

    They love you to kill you…it’s completely disgusting, and Zionists love that murderous support.
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    aah I"m not a jew or a israeli or a zionist so stop saying "you".
     
  16. Undecided Banned Banned

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    aah I"m not a jew or a israeli or a zionist so stop saying "you".

    I don’t mean you in that literal sense, more figuratively.
     
  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    then how about you try "they"?
     
  18. Eluminate Registered Senior Member

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    hmm palestinian authority is not a sovergn state israel is ... Israel is the de facto sovergnty that umbrellas the palestinian authortiy therefore it cannot take away its own land... The only way for palestinian authority to become a state is to be given that status by israel which has not happened and will not untill it can insure its own interest. Just because EU or International community led by Arab sheikhs bribes buckles doesn't mean a sovergn nation has to adhere to them or even listen.

    U are confusing berlin wall which divided a city between a wall that will eventually be the definetive border between two states when palestinians are given that privilage
     
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  19. Kiwi123 Banned Banned

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    Here's a sample of HYPOCRITICAL Whining 'palestinian' Propagnada:

    ARAB PALESTINIANS MADE MILLIONS ON FENCE CEMENT

    This was written by Inigo Gilmore from Jerusalem and is archived at http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/25/wmid25.xml

    Palestinian businessmen have made millions of pounds supplying cement for Israel's "security barrier" in the full knowledge of Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader and one of the wall's most vocal critics.A damning report by Palestinian legislators, which has been seen by the Telegraph, concludes that Mr Arafat did nothing to stop the deals although he publicly condemned the structure as a "crime against humanity".

    The report claims that the cement was sold with the knowledge of senior officials at the Palestinian ministry of national economy, and close advisers to Mr Arafat. It concludes that officials were bribed to issue import licences for the cement to importers and businessmen working for Israelis.

    One of the report's three authors, Hassan Khreishe - an independent legislator and long-term critic of Mr Arafat - last night called for the Palestinian cabinet to resign.

    "Wealthy Palestinians with connections at the highest levels have been making millions helping Israel build this wall while Arafat and the Palestinian Authority have been urging people to fight against it," said Mr Khreishe, a council member from the West Bank city of Tulkarm.

    "Why Arafat did nothing about it, we just don't know. These people are traitors who have brought shame on us, and they should be punished."

    An official in Mr Arafat's office said: "We will not comment because this file has been closed and it is now in the hands of the attorney general."

    Growing resistance to corruption in the Palestinian Authority is posing the most serious internal challenge to Mr Arafat's leadership. Last week, gunmen staged a number of kidnappings and attacks on security buildings in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

    Thousands of Palestinians demonstrated about high-level corruption and the appointment of Mr Arafat's cousin, Moussa Arafat, as security chief in the Gaza Strip.

    The report reveals that the cement originally came from Egyptian companies which supplied it at a huge discount of $22 (£12.50) a ton to help rebuild dilapidated Palestinian houses or buildings bulldozed by the Israelis.

    Between September 2003 and March this year, 420,000 tons of cement were allegedly sent to three big Palestinian companies. According to the report, however, only 33,000 tons were sold in the Palestinian market. The vast bulk was transported to Israel on trucks owned by the three firms. According to Mr Khreishe, the cement was then sold with a mark-up of at least $15 a ton - and possibly as high as $100 - making profits of well over $6 million (£3.4 million) for company executives.

    The Legislative Council launched an investigation after Egyptian journalists stumbled upon business links between a German Jewish businessman and the Palestinian companies.

    According to the report, on November 9 last year a letter was sent to Mr Arafat by the Palestinian Authority comptroller, revealing that open-ended import licences for the cement had been signed by Maher al-Masri, the economy minister.

    The Palestinian Authority comptroller asserted in the letter that the cement was destined for the wall.

    The letter was allegedly received and seen by Mr Arafat on the same day that he urged people to demonstrate on the first international "Day against the Wall". According to Mr Khreishe, Mr Arafat took no action to stop further imports, which continued for another five months.

    Ministry officials said that Mr al-Masri was unavailable for comment. The minister was quoted on a Palestinian news website challenging the claims, although he conceded that some cement had been transported to Israeli businessmen. "There is an exaggeration," he said. "The goal is to distort my reputation."

    He said that his own investigative committee found that only 14,500 tons of concrete were transported to Israel. He conceded that two ministry officials carried out some "suspicious administrative violations" in relation to the permits, and that there was not full co-ordination between the economy and finance ministries regarding the cement quota. The ministry had issued permits for 233,000 tons, he said, and had then cancelled permits for 65,000 tons.

    The revelations in the report are highly embarrassing for Mr Arafat, who has been pushing the international community to condemn the 425-mile barrier, of which about one quarter has been built. Israel says that the barrier is vital to protect its citizens from suicide bombers and terrorist attacks. Palestinian leaders argue that it is designed to deprive them of a state, and is cutting off Palestinians from their land, schools, doctors and relatives.

    Last week, the United Nations condemned the barrier and demanded that it should be torn down
     
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    hmm palestinian authority is not a sovergn state israel is ... Israel is the de facto sovergnty that umbrellas the palestinian authortiy therefore it cannot take away its own land...

    Well yes Israel is a sovereign state, only because the international community recognizes it as such. Israel cannot legally own land that the international community has not accepted as part of Israel. Ever why wonder Taiwan is not considered a state… the international community states that the West Bank along with Gaza is not Israeli lands and should be ceded.

    The only way for palestinian authority to become a state is to be given that status by israel which has not happened and will not untill it can insure its own interest.

    Not really, the Palestinian state can UDI and then the international community would either recognize it or not. Once Palestine becomes independent any actions done by Israel against the state of Palestine is to be considered an act of international war.

    Just because EU or International community led by Arab sheikhs bribes buckles doesn't mean a sovergn nation has to adhere to them or even listen.

    The EU didn’t exist back in 1967, the Arabs were marginalized but yet every state passed the resolution condemning Israeli actions, even the USA. Israel ignores international law at it’s own peril.

    U are confusing berlin wall which divided a city between a wall that will eventually be the definetive border between two states when palestinians are given that privilage

    Your sentence is confusing…please re-read that morass.
     
  21. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Aren't we lead by UN-lovers to believe that "international community" recognition is the sole arbitor of significant legitimacy?

    Umm, how about the age-old, international community-irrelevent notion of "To the victor go the spoils"?

    Possession being 9/10ths; since they long since declared their own independence, what does anyone else's opinon have to do with anything?

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Opinions are nothing more.
     
  22. Kiwi123 Banned Banned

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    Not when it defies the RACIST Arab Muslim Radical Propaganda [grip on UN...] against the Non Arab Muslims in the middle east...
     
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    Aren't we lead by UN-lovers to believe that "international community" recognition is the sole arbitor of significant legitimacy?

    It is, it’s that simple to be recognized as a state among states is to be part of the UN. There is no escaping that, you may think so but that’s not the reality. The US, Europe, China, and Russia own this world and they own it through the UN.

    Umm, how about the age-old, international community-irrelevent notion of "To the victor go the spoils"?

    That only happens if those lands are officially ceded to the invading nation, if the UN doesn’t recognize that land grab as a legal one the ensuing affects are to pass resolutions. Using your logic Saddam should be in Kuwait City right now.

    what does anyone else's opinon have to do with anything?

    Why point out your own if you think it is irrelevant?

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Sure, but that doesn’t mean those opinions are right or legal.
     
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