You know I think we would like to become a little oppurtunistic also. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
So we have had the bombing of the WTC, the planes into the WTC, and anthrax. The military is bombing Afganistan and if we are to believe the news reports, has made some headway in the elimination of the Tailban and has scored some marks into the al-Qaeda network. I guess the next thing is where is bin Laden going to strike next and how? Or do you think that bin Laden is to busy heading for cover and seeking hiding places to strike again? I would think that most likely he has a hit list of targets that were preplanned. Any chance that this are set up with specific dates and moles to carry them out in the US?
I don't want to say there won't be another attack, but everyday we come closer to destroying al-Qadea, so maybe the risks are lowering slightly. It seems the FBI has made advances in catching terrorists inside the country. There could be sleeper agents still here. If I had to put money on it I would say the attack would be on oveseas assets, embassies, military bases, UN or NATO complexes. Who knows. I think we could have bin Laden by X-mas. Hopefully.
If the Muslims all over the world get outraged regarding terrorism, then these people will not have a place to hide or recruit. That means the active involvement of US and other nations. That will be the New World Order. On the otherhand if we (US, UK etc) in the process of going after terrorists, harrass common law abiding Muslims everywhere, then new groups will spring up. Here is how: Say you take a Muslim guy from his house in the middle of the night that has nothing to do with terrorists and beat him, torture him or kill him - then that impression will transfer to their friends and families. Years will pass by but the intent will be there. The son or daughter will study many ways to cause trouble. And if they find an indirect state sponsor they can get the tool. I have always said that if normal intelligent people want to destroy anything, it is very easy in a free society. Look at the idiot that caused Anthrax havoc. That must be a disgruntled employee of some company or had some beef for the congressman. A lot of people have access to a lot benign stuff that can be converted to weapon (like forks, dinner knives and bottle openers ???). What we should do, not only in US but in UK and elsewhere is to make sure, get rid of terrorists but not create anymore. The prevention of the creation of new terrorists is more important than the destruction of already identified terrorists. Otherwise the cycle of violence will continue. Defense is always more difficult and costly than offense.
What's next?, Well I have a pretty good idea... First of all, we are not sure if the truth has been told, are the suspected terrorist really what the US says they are?, they are doubts, they used fake ID's, most were from Saudi, none whatsoever were from Afganistan, supposedly Osama was not involved, now they claim he has testified that he was, are we been fed a load of crap, or is the news accurate?. visit; www.whatreallyhappened.com and even though some of you claim that the news here is not trustworthy, the question rises, what if some of what they are reporting is actually true?. In history a dictator creates terror at home, in order to win the citizens for war, against a supposedly common threat. For Hitler it was Poland, whom he claimed had attacked Germany, we know now that this was totally made up. However the German people at the time bought it. We've been loosing rights in this country left and right, with the "drug war" we lost our privacy in banking, now with resent events we'r loosing our ritghts of privacy, the goverment has a right to listen to phone conversations, wire tap, and read e-mails of suspected terrorists. Who determines the suspected terrorist?. There are cases that come out on whatreallyhappened of people been harrased by local troops, for their opinions on the resent events, one guy was unable to fly, caue of the picture of his novel which he was reading, was about terrorists, and it had a picture of a terrorist with sticks of dinamite. A lady was on a black list and was not allowed to fly cause she is a member of Greenpease. If I have opinions against what's happening to this country, and of how our goverment is acting, could I be labeled a terrorist?. What's happening next? The terror I'm afraid is not coming from abroad, but from our own goverment. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61145-2001Nov20.html Also look at this one; http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/n...600&en=06b50dc0af1f0c5c&ei=5038&partner=ASAHI These are not from whatreallyhappened btw. these are your suppose trustworthy news sources. Wahingtonpost, and NYTimes. However if you are interested in the big picture; http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP111B.html have a nightmare?, I do, I've been watching it sinse I was 17 yrs old. Yea! it will start as home security, but in the past in Germany it built up to the Gustopo, in other countries it was the secret police, in this country we've got so many police forces that one begins to wonder, are we still free?. FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS- ( is the largest police force in the states with armed agents ) local police, and now perhaps US troops. I feel my freedom of free expression slowly drifting away.
I know that Benji, that's exactly my point. We are loosing our right to protest. However I'm not alone, I'm no terrorist, I am however a patriot, who keeps an eye open at our own goverment as well. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Curly1 Great quote. I was almost stirred to tears before I conducted some very BASIC research amd realized that Woodrow Wilson did for BULLSHIT what STONEHENGE did for rocks.
Just a note.... When I wrote the following "First of all, we are not sure if the truth has been told, are the suspected terrorist really what the US says they are?, they are doubts, they used fake ID's, most were from Saudi, none whatsoever were from Afganistan." I really wasn't making it up, just in case, however now it's on the news ; http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-warid1021.story?coll=ny-top-headlines In other news, this is, has become will become, has always been, however you perceive it! it's a holy war ;http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/daily/20011122/LocalNews/189152.shtml Also in relation to rival theologies, the idiocracy of religions this is perceived as "the end of times" crap, the same was said of WWI & WWII, but they still continue with the apocaliptic predictions; http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/23/n...400&en=5837343a18effbdb&ei=5038&partner=ASAHI PS. My towels my towels, they are banned, I thought they looked so nice too, perhaps it's because people may be whipping their hinney with them (joke) ;http://www.theadvocate.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=26086 Is this getting out of hand? or what? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I'm Back Bowser: At first I believed that there was a lot of intelligence and planning done by the WTC attackers and they very well could have more. I believe that less and less. In a short conversation with a friend of mine we had come up with 5-10 good targets for a terrorist attack and each one would be extremely simple to hit. Defiantly easier than the WTC. It seems more of a blind shot for them. The more I think about it the more I tend to believe the terrorists have no idea what to do next. They were not expecting any of this. A little off topic but.... Markx Please do not take this as an attack. Just making a point. The way you contrast the Afghanistan people and the Pakistan people you are doing exactly what the media does. Such portrayals are not necessarily deliberate but a reflection of the reporters opinion. Nobody can be completely unbiased even when they try and you can guarantee that VERY few American people in the media were trying. The entire business is based on inflaming emotions anyway. Moderate stances and careful reporting won't get that. These days you have to try and filter the opinions out and find the facts. It is getting harder though especially with reporters like the one you pointed out. Truthfully we have no one but ourselves to blame. It is just so easy to follow the masses. DaarkSyde You must be joking because if you aren't then you really need to look at the world around you and discover reality. Lay off the conspiracy theories and drama films and maybe you will be able to cope with paranoia a little better. Markx This may just be the time difference in the posts but the Pakistani government has gotten a lot of heat for backing the US as far as I understand it?!?!?! Tiassia Hell I'm sure he can pick up a good ICBM at the corner market, or just throw a sheet over the OBL Fat Boy and no one will see it Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Godless This is a very big problem. I have seen practically nothing that would prove our acquisitions. I am not so sure if I really want to know why we are at war. 'Classified' items have been showed to the US` allies to prove Osama's guilt but not to anybody else. US backers are likely to be backing them for more than just the war against terrorism and may not care if the US has targeted the right people. The US may have targeted Osama Bin Laden as a fall guy to gain support. Pakistan backed US forced to lift American trade sanctions. Oil is also a consideration. I have yet to truly see a country enter a conflict or give aid without ulterior motives. Your point about the holy war is also a consideration. My post is to long already and that deserves it's own thread anyway so I will not go on.
There are more serious stuff that can come our way by very sophisticated people from middle east, if they are caught between a rock and hard place. This can be economic tormoil rather than direct human attack. Hope we do not head that way...
But the question is who? As far as this enemy goes I don't think there is much left. The Al Qaeda has lost a lot of power and material. I fear that we have brought ourselves into the spotlight for other groups to attack us and created a lot of animosity toward our name. The middle east knows about this type of warfare and have a lot of experience in it. Lets hope we did not upset to many that have the power to continue the Al Qaeda terrorism.
This one I have to disagree with in part. Guerrila warfare, yes they know how to use the mountains to their advantage. They are not the only ones that know how to do this. To that purpose we sent in the Mountain familiar troops. Special ops are also familiar with this terrain amoungst other terrains. Add to it the technological advantage and the warfare aspect on the ground changes a good bit. The enemy does not have the ability to remote scan the terrain before arriving or monitering the terrain to know what's there before showing up and so be prepared for what is waiting in ambush. Where I part with this is in the "type of warfare" bit of the statement. Never before have the terrorist had it coming from all fronts so to say. Their financal network has remained intact even when some country was out to get them for their last shinagian. Never before have they had a world consensus against them to the point of anteing up troops, material, and support. Never before have they had this sort of responce to their tactics. We are not occupying the country the way Russia did and leaving a large target to get at. Instead we are picking and nibbling at them from all sides. Eliminating the places to run to and hide. They have one direction to run to, the hills. And bubba, that ain't safe for long either.
So what do you dislike about the quote Machon? You should back your oppinion up with at least a reason, to make it worth listening to.
spys like us!!! Whats next from our beloved uncle Sam? lets play spy games shall we? ;http://www.bcentral.com/articles/isyndicate/finance/3bfa2d9c.22ab.211.1.asp?cobrand=msn Paranoia, Paranoia the destroy-a http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=12206
Terrorists can not survive without a large financial network and some tacit support from a few Countries. Afghanis could not have kicked Russians out without support from USA and other countries. So, as long as US solves the major issues by these Countries, we solve this problem. The other part is the lone gun man who is mad at something. Those type of situation is difficult to prevent but luckily they are few and far between like this Anthrax case. There is no such thing as 100% security, but we can get very close. What is next? I predict, there will a calm before another storm. Why? Because with our internal political bickering, we may not be able to manage borderline countries who do not like US for whatever reason. And that will sprout new ones. It is not that we can not manage, but we may not be able to manage and take matters seriously. The resonsibility goes to State Department. And whatever policy they come up, will be one sided and will antagonize our so called friends. That is because we do not understand the other side. Nor do we try. We have a tendency to believe in "Might is right".
The type of war I was referring to was terrorism, not guerilla. They are used to war on the streets and terrorists acts. I fear we may spur more terrorism within our own borders. I am not so sure anymore. Enough people motivated by fanaticism may be able to do it all on their own. There will always be some money somewhere for a bomb. All you need after that is somebody willing to run into that building or stadium.
Is that a fact is it, then mabey you can tell me which country or large financial organisation funded the oklahoma bombing? None? But you said.... nevermind. You cant kill terrorism, its an ideal, its not one person, one bomb, one religon, terrorism is what people do when you degrade there lives to such an extent where they find it justified to kill and mame for a cause, America is not killing terrorism its just spreading the seeds of discontent.
