Proof is nothing without logic. I doubt anything is beyond the scope of logic. Thanks. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! That's right, it isn't complete proof, but it is reasonable, and I can't say the same for the belief that the Universe was created by God. I am, but where was the first one? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Your opinions are subjective and abstract, and pose no paradox at all. Try showing a real paradox. Now that's simply not true. The bible has had far more influence than any mere cave drawings. Religion has worked it's way into nearly every aspect of our society. First, it wasn't an opinion I was offering, but an argument (yet to be substantiated of course, but this thread isn't the place for that). Second, it's not unrelated. You asked for an idea that was equal to or greature than that of the scriptures, and I'm contending that the scriptures aren't that great. Actually, someone said: And you replied: That is the claim you made that I am responding to. You claim it is not a concept, and I'm calling you on that statement. Back it up. Because I agree with it. Because it is irrelevant to whether or not the concept of God is a concept. Exactly. You claimed God is not a concept, and that's what this discussion is about: I've called on you to back it up. I was not the original claimant. I was just clarifying my position. You want me to prove something you shouldn't even be questioning? You are just wasting my time. How else do you propose concepts get introduced? Actually, you've mentioned 'scripture' in about half of your posts in this thread, including your first. I must be really getting to you for you to question every statement I make asking for proof when there's no reason for it. How could it be considered a "weird and wacky personal statement" by any means? If it was known where it first appeared, you'd think the person's name would be in the history books, huh? You are grasping at straws. Which of these is supposed to be supernaturally inspired? Some of the activities in the movies would be considered supernatural by definition 1 if they were to actually occur, but ideas of the supernatural are entirely different from supernaturally inspired ideas. Perhaps you can explain what you were getting at. Or perhaps I'm asking if you know what ignorant means because you thought I was insulting you. Ignorance simply means one is unaware of something, or lacks some knowledge. Huh? Christianity isn't religion? What are you on about? Religion can indeed be blamed. Religion is a set of beliefs that guide one's actions. I believe I've already made my point on this issue. Then I wouldn't be aware of it then would I? There's a difference?
Jan Ardena, You haven’t proved that anything or anyone else could have created such ideas let alone that they have. And until then it is simply foolish to not conclude that humans created these ideas. You must be joking. Go read some history books. Prove to me that people did not write/design/device/develop these scriptures. If you can’t then why isn’t your claim simply a baseless fantasy? The idea of a god is a concept. Webster – Concept - 1 : something conceived in the mind : THOUGHT, NOTION. But the idea of them is. Do you really believe that these fictional stories were the work of gods and not imaginative humans? You can’t be serious are you? Prove me wrong by showing a credible reason to suppose that the god idea was generated by anything other than human. But the term liar is inappropriate since I am not attempting to deliberately deceive. If you want to take that standard then you are equally a liar for asserting that gods might exist. But humans will have written these scriptures. Prove that there is something else that could have written/designed/devised them. Prove that humans did not devise these scriptures. Your claim has no credibility without some form of proof. I have spent a great deal of time thinking about faith and it only means one thing in the religious sense – belief without evidence. The epitome of irrationality. Try using your intelligence and stop asking foolish questions. But let’s not trade insults. You mean like a 3 headed invisible puntivirous? Show me the truth in that statement. Anything detectable by the senses or mathematics. The question is unanswerable. Which definition do you mean; humans have created millions of them. If I chose the pantheist idea of God that Einstein used then the universe has no personality other than the perfect order as revealed through physics. I doubt it since it looks like you have made up your mind regardless of what I might say. But that is no indication that something imaginary like a god will ever be detected. No. The “objects” were always there but the knowledge of them didn’t exist until we discovered them. You are still confusing actual instances with knowledge of instances. Agreed. Good enough. Now think carefully about what you have written, you are very close to understanding. Before we discover something we wouldn’t “know” about it, correct? Now read your definition above “Knowledge means "to know". Now put the two pieces of information together. If we don’t know this something then the knowledge of that something does not exist, right? Assume for the sake of this argument that no one else has discovered it beforehand. Do you see how you confused the existence of an object with the knowledge of the object? I didn’t need to be put straight but I hope you now understand your error. Kat
good point, but it's really just semantics in the end. Often it's just a matter of not being aware of the subtle differences in the meaning of both words.
It not really all the subtle... people tend to group as religious and non-religious... when the reason for being non-religious is just as important (if not more so).
If I had prayed god then it would have been to stop god existing in the minds of humans. Did the Apes believe in god, and the rats that apes evolved from, or was it the first sea worms that evolved in to fish and then amphibians and then rats, or was it the first cell or virus ? Or was it Jan Ardena ( She is so dumb) ? My close relative is in constant grave pain for last 1 year, Y is god not helping her, she had great faith in him all her life, and prayed all her life every day for 50yrs and now regrets it, and she definitely is a good great person. I wish I was brought up in an atheist family, in all my school exams I had faith that god will help me pass them all rather than my studies and now I am suffering due to that. Hell with God. I am a rationalist, I don’t believe in god and do not follow any religion, does that automatically make me a atheist, I mean I never think about atheism U see ? I believe all those who pray r selfish and only selfish motives make them pray, how primitive, they all want something for nothing. How about this new commandment – “He Who Believes in God TShall Perish In The 21 Century.”
well frigging said RAW, well good try anyway. someone said this on this forum,this is proberly a misquote. here go's, religion should have an health warning, danger of death do not follow. someone also said, god and the devil are one and the same. if they existed. so keep going man, you'll have a much better life, without a god fucking it up.
Why don't you blame Him for failing your school exams? After all, He is the one who was supposed to have studied amply and have been prepared... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
RawThinkTank, If I had prayed god then it would have been to stop god existing in the minds of humans. Hehehehe! And you say i'm dumb. ....and the rats that apes evolved from, or was it the first sea worms that evolved in to fish and then amphibians and then rats, or was it the first cell or virus ? Where is the evidence of macroevolution why you confidently assert your statement as fact? My close relative is in constant grave pain for last 1 year, Y is god not helping her, she had great faith in him all her life, and prayed all her life every day for 50yrs and now regrets it, and she definitely is a good great person. Happiness and sadness, pain and pleasure, are all part of life. It doesn't matter how much we seek happiness or pleasure, we only get it when we get it. We must learn to accept whatever condition is put upon us, that is the path to real happiness and is the test of real character. I am a rationalist, If you were a rationalist you would understand that pleasure and pain go with the territory of the material world. When we are in pleasure we easily forget what real pain is, and as such act in this way. It is very easy for us to say; "lets attack Iraq" from the comfort of our own armchairs, without giving any consideration to the pain and discomfort we are inflicting on innocent people. So pain has its advantages in that it allows us to remember the reality of the world we live in, and to be more conscious of how we treat other beings. I don’t believe in god and do not follow any religion, does that automatically make me a atheist, I mean I never think about atheism U see ? By the dictionary definition, i would say you are an atheist. I believe all those who pray r selfish and only selfish motives make them pray, how primitive, they all want something for nothing. Be careful who you accuse. The truth is you don't know whether all who pray are selfish, yet you judge them. Are you judging them by your own standard? How about this new commandment – “He Who Believes in God TShall Perish In The 21 Century.” Is this what you personally want? Jan Ardena.
:bugeye: Have you tried looking for it? I suggest http://talkorigins.org/ Hm. What about people who pray for others?
Why am i a fool to deny god/gods ? Our purpose in life is very simple, we are just a vessel used to pass on our genetic material. Thats all, we have developed higher thinking than other animals, and consider ourselves outside of the natural world around us. But ultimatly we are just animals, no different from bacteria really. So lighten up, and get out there , and fuck like your species depended on it Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Holy shmoly. 8 pages and I am still waiting for someone to provide said evidence. I have, until now, remained solely as an observer in this debate - but must confess that it really gets on my nuts when someone says a line like the quote above, but never actually provides the evidence.
I think he meant 'develop'. There are different uses for the word 'evolution'. It doesn't have to refer to a biological process, but can refer to the development of other things as well.
U asked for it. Hmm , How about eradicating GOD from minds of humans and then make them realize that instead of praying for others if they actually practically help other people then that will be a zillion times better. Thanks Alpha, But I am warning U , U aliens have no business here, This planet belongs to my specie, we r going to inherit it from humans as we r theirs direct descendants. So get tha hell off from my planet. We will not go in to the dark without a fight , we will further evolve. Leave or U may face extinction. - The crusader of the new Rationalist specie, RawThinkTank.
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I have faith and so do my all my friends, we all believe in the purple god, he brings the color purple to the world all you need is faith!! He is the superior being and only he is true, every other thing you hear is false and untrue!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
