How does a born again Christian unborn himself?

Why is that a problem? I have not been inside a church for years Joeman. I left a church to become a follower of The Messiah. Do you know satan has founded many churches and religions. You continue to follow Jesus and believe in God and ask Him to guide your conscience and all will be well for you.

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You're an Arminian? Ewww..

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How is Calvin's position heretical, praytell. People at my Church (Calvinists of course) were telling me how Arminianism is absolutely wrong and Calvin was right. Please do explain it to me that I may relay the good message.

In what seems like an alternative to your text, John in his first epistle says:

6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[2] sin.

And again:

1 John 3

9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

You can see how Arminianism is defeated in these texts, although I do wonder why the author warns us that "No one who is born of God will continue to sin", for we have all fallen short.

Well, when I use the word, people here tell me "a slave is a slave is a slave".. Here is the text:

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

 

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Joeman,

I enjoy my religion as a tool to have a closer relationship with God and Jesus but never lose sight of the fact that this is my primary goal. If my religion at any point fails to help me in this regard I feel perfectly free to withdraw and worship God and pray to Jesus on my own. In fact, Jesus cautioned us not to be like the hypocrites who must be seen to be going to the synagogue for they have received their reward here while those of us who pray quietly await a much greater reward.

Jesus also said that it is best to go to an inner room and pray quietly than to make a big show of it. Since the earliest Christians did not have churches, it seems perfectly natural to me that one could follow Christ's teachings without attending a specific church.

SouthStar,

It seems to me that free will and pre-destination are mutually exclusive.

 

Care to expound?

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Calvin's position is false because it denies the mystery of salvation. When we say "yes" to God, we really do say yes. But not through ourselves but through God yet we still have free will. Many are called but few are chosen.

Armenian's position seems wrong to me mainly because it is assuming knowledge of God that we cannot possibly know, and this is the fault of Calvin's position as well. In fact, it seems to be that while God is all seeing, for him to know whether we will be condemned or not we must eventually be condemned in the future. Someone who is condemned must have been given the opportunity for grace and rejected it. Otherwise, without the opportunity there's no condemnation and without rejecting the fullness of God there's no real rejection. Consequently, Paul tells us that the gospel is pleasent incense to some and the smell of death to others and Peter says that they would have been better off not knowing the gospel rather than have rejected it.

 

Hey guys is this a calvin thread or one about Joemans question? please start a new thread if you want to talk T.U.L.I.P

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This isn't exactly correct. They didn't have church buildings, they met at certain houses. "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them" (Matt. 18:20). Also

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another–and all the more as you see the Day approaching.​

Churches do serve an important purpose for your spiritual growth, although it isn't nearly everything.

Amen. We can only say "yes" through Christ, because He is our "yes" - and He was definitely "chosen before the creation of the world to be our salvation". Choosing Him is choosing your predestiny, so to speak - it is chooing a new life where your destination is without a doubt certain. To fall away from such certainty is not just an act of doubt, it's a rejection of Christ. There are many people who do this, but that's like being unborn instead of reborn (excuse the harsh imagery).

2 Cor. 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not "Yes" and "No." For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not "Yes" and "No," but in him it has always been "Yes." For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ.​

Difficulty solved?

 

Sorry Joeman. You were born again so its too late. Once you accept him in your heart there is no going back. You are stuck going to heaven. Did they give you free pizza when you were born again? If not you got screwed...

 

I am not totally clear on what you are trying to say but I believe I have grasped the underlying concept. Will do more research, if you have any good links send em my way.

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P.S. Shutup AdStar...

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southstar, that's a bit rich, coming from you.
you wont shut up, so why should adstar.
come on adstar, say what you like.

 

If you look at the tongue out smiley, I am sure even you can conclude that I meant it in a friendly manner. If not, now you know.

 

What does he say exactly? Or do you mean you just pray for $1 mill, and the next thing you know it's sitting in a suitcase in your front room?

I'd be intrigued to know what you prayed for..

 

Remember god doesnt work that way, you have to steal the 1 mill and ask his forgiveness.

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what is it? idolatry? preaching a false gospel? don't make me go into a church.

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It is rejecting God to his face.

 

The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This sin was revealed by Jesus to His deciples. I don't think we should dwell on this sin in a predominately atheist forum.

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