How do you talk to someone who believes...

Words of wisdom indeed. I have a hard time remembering to do that a lot of the time and especially enjoy seeing it put so plainly and direct. Thank you.

 

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Other than forcing him to get on a plane... you have no chance.

I think even if you take the flight yourself, he'll doubt you. This guy is certifiable from what you are saying... I'd distance yourself.

 

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How do you talk to someone who believes...


When talking to a believer , look them directly in the eye and say...... if your Holy Babble is correct and I am wrong, I will not ever worship such an evil being no matter what the cost - Period.

Walk away and let them figure it out.

End of talk.

 

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Just ask him to pull your finger. That should break the ice.

 

Hello Thor

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I have talked to guys like this before and the only way you can cause them to think about the validity of their belief "that the wold is flat" is to use the bible.

Try using the following:

Job 26:7: "He stretches out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing."

This is saying that the top of the world is in the north. and God hangs the world on nothing therefore the earth floats in space.


Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth."

Here it states that the earth is a "circle" not a flat board with 4 corners. So we now have the top of the world being in the north and the world is not hung on anything and the world being circular. Now this does not biblically prove that the earth is a sphere but using these in conjunction with the following scripture usually has an impact.


Luke 17:24-34:
24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
31"In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."

Now Jesus is talking about His return to earth. We know from other scriptures that upon His return a "catching up" or more popularly known as a "Rapture" will occur this rapture will happen in a "twinkling of an eye: That is all true followers of the Messiah will be “caught up” at the same time. Note how Jesus said “In that day” and then went on say “in that night”? See Jesus knew that at the moment of His return it would be day time for some and for others it would be night time.

These two following scriptures describe the Rapture and give details of its suddenness.

1 Thessalonians 4: 13- 18
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1 Corinthians 15: 50- 52
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

Now if all the followers of the Messiah that remain on earth and are still alive will be changes in a twinkling of an eye upon the second coming and this will happen for some during the day and for others during the night. Then the earth cannot be flat.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

I am a devout Christian who does not take the Genesis stories literally, as most Christians don't, but when someone tries to argue about my faith with me it is quite irritating, as well as pointless. What on Earth does an atheist gain by trying to convince a believer that he/she is going to go to a hole in the ground and rot and no more? What do atheists care, if that's what they really think is happening to everyone anyway? I have honestly met some atheists who were more evangelical than any religious person I've ever known.

Not every scientist buys Darwin's theory that biological change over time is necessarily impersonal and accidental, but rather the end result of a purposeful design. It was reading up on some of these scientists that started my entire spiritual journey in the first place. If you want someone to stop converting you, then tell them, but the ridiculous notion that you have knowledge that would turn Christians from God is as annoying to us as it is when Christians say the same to atheists.

We, too, feel like we are hitting our heads against a brick wall when our collective spiritual experiences are dismissed immediately (and without much open-minded listening by the atheists who constantly preach it to us) by people who know very little about them firsthand.

 

THOR
why are you bothering, with this person, he is the epitome of ignorance.
Ignorant people, dont alter their view's to fit the fact's.
Instead, they alter the fact's to fit there view's.
you've got no chance.
forget him.

 

Yes, but I have read a few of their articles which are based entirely on "science" and not even a word about religion, as you say, as models for discrediting heresy.

 

Paula,

The point that they are trying to make is that no one can show anything different and are challenging you to support your claims.

If more people didn’t believe they had eternal lives and would see real life as precious then they’d be less likely to waste it – i.e. we could put an end to wars overnight.

I suspect there is an oxymoron there somewhere, but unfortunately atheists do not have any policies for trying to convert religionists unlike Christians who definitely have such an irritating policy. But really the most enthusiastic atheists tend to be those that were once theists and can now see the paradoxes of theism.

But can you name any scientist, preferably one who is fully conversant with biological evolution, who can turn those non-scientific opinions into real science. But I guess we are really talking about abiogenesis here and currently the origins of biological life are still speculative.

Can you share with us their names and work?

I think you are on very thin ice here. Most serious atheists reach their conviction through some serious study and many have been through past religious ‘experiences’. While there are a few exceptions, as there is to everything, it is rare to find one with such conviction turning back to religion. Remember that most religionists around the world are that way because of custom, culture, and racial origins, and of course from extreme indoctrination and brainwashing, e.g. Islam.

But with perspective, who does the most preaching, religionists or atheists? You would have to agree that religionists are going to account for 99.99% of all the preaching in the world, right?

And take care with accusations of closed-mindedness, what atheists are saying is that they don’t believe you not that they are offering any alternatives or have the answers. It is because they are open-minded that they are open to any and all speculations, but note that it is theists who have closed their minds to anything other than their own narrow belief, i.e. God did it – can you get anymore closed minded?

Kat

 

I beleive all that. For me, when I look at things, it makes SO much more sense that stuff was created as it is then it evolving from a premordial soup. I don't agree with the earth is flat part. There is nothing like that that I have ever read religious or other. Don't know were he got it from.

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Well, the evidence says the exact opposite... go figure.

 

I believe that a guy like the one Thor describes must be extremely thickheaded and deserves to be beaten repeatetly with a very big and heavy copy of the bible until his head is about as flat as he thinks the earth to be.

Alternatively, I would give him a boat trip around the earth to his next birthday.

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No, it doesn't. Would you like a list of examples?

Why do you insult my intelligence?

 

He is part of the heretical groups that believes in "creation ex nihilo", the impossibility of impossibilities.

Go figure..

 

I'm confused, who's he?

 

I think he means Persol. (or you ??? No, don´t think so)

 

The one you were talking to.. obviously.

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No I think it is me because Persol doesn't believe in creation ex nihilo, but I do. Let me know if you want the evidence I beleive in. I have alot of it.

 

Make my day.

 

Enigma,

Ah don't be such an idiot. You have zilch worth looking at.

Go do some real studying. Try this first, after that I can give you a long list of science texts and books.

Lots of evidence for evolution.

Kat