" The existence of Nothing is absolutely dependent of everything being in a relationship with everything else" There fore nothing can only be deemed to (Non-exist) by default of everything else existing. Funnily enough relativity seems to prove zero dimensionality as I previously mentioned. Another approach is to ask the question: "If we agree that the universe started with a "big Bang" then prior to this there was absolutely nothing. ( from a universal perspective )?" But as absolutely nothing continues to exist as the centre of time ( between future and past) and matter is constructed from folded space ( near nothingness) the centre of mass must also be nothing. Centre of time, centre of mass, centre of gravity, Mass is therefore a sort of intense space time plug that surrounds a point of nothingness. If you are asking me to show the existance of nothing, I can not do so because of the inherant nature of what is being described. Nothing can not be proved except by deductive reasoning applied to what we know does exist. Nothing can only be proven by it's effect of everything else. And to me To make Absolutely nothing the centre of gravity makes a lot of sense. Prior to the bigbang the centre of gravity existed but not the gravity. The creation of space time created separated mass and by default gravity ( space time) was created. And as the centre of time moved in continuum Nothing continues to exist as teh centre of gravity. Again, back to your question: Nothing can only be described by it's lack of property and or attributes. Semantically this immediately gives nothing some values and I have no problem with that. Values by default.
The centre of time is a continuuously changing event horizon. So therefore what you actually percieve is always post Horizon ( the past with it's future implied) from the horizon but not the horison itself.
I have uploaded a simple diagram that shows nothing at the centre of mass Keeping in mind that the Earth is made up of near infinite numbers of particles the net effect is a centre of gravity for the whole planet. An accumulant centre of gravity. http://www.paygency.com/NothingGravity.htm One of the main reasons that support gravity being the product of nothing is that Gravity is omni attractive in that it is normally attractive to everything and the only way for omni atttraction is that everything has a common attribute and I would suggest that that attribute is a centre of nothingness.
this link shows a picture developed to show this concept in three dimensions http://www.paygency.com/Corecones.htm If your interested......please allow about 15 seconds to download the pic The cones represent spiral space time merging at their points to a "point" of nothingness. This is called a core diagram. And in my view represents the centre of mass in space time terms
QQ, The absolute 'nothing' you are circumscribing is a pure abstraction and it does not exist. It does not exist physically and it does not exist as an abstraction either. The best that you can do is to include it in a null set that does exist. Kind of like describing the blackness of a shadow by its outline, or an 'empty' bottle by its container. YY
YY i think you have it down pretty right. Another way of looking at it is like this When you move an object, lets use a tennis ball, across a table. At a certain point in time the ball exists at a certain location. You move the ball and now that location has no ball in it. The ball doesn't exist at it's previous location because it has moved to another. What was the ball at that location is now nothing ( reference frame = Ball and location). If the ball did not at this location become "nothing" we would have no movement. In a similar way this is what happened at conception of the universe. Absolute nothingness acheived time. The bang is now non existant and all we have are the results If you use the frame "Ball" the ball exists at a single location and doesn't exist any where else. So using this way of describing Nothing can be inferred. With out "nothing" the universe would show no diversity of location or substance as it would be one single item or object. Nothing allows for diversity of object. I look at a blank "Ms Word" page on my PC and apart from the blank white page there is nothing on it. I draw in circle. Now there is something on the page "but it's not a square". I delete the circle and the circle becomes nothing again. And the page is now white and empty of content. Absolute nothingness does co -exist with everything else if it didn't then the past would still exist as a physical dimension and of course that would be impossible.
Ex nilhilo et nihil. Everything out of nothing is only a paradoxical illusion that arises from viewing everything as arising either from God magically creating everything from nothing or from general relativity's concept of a magic singularity of nothing. It is simpler to leave absolute nothing to its nothingness, and allow some initial 'birth energy' to the quantum baby universe that it inherited from its parent, a black hole in some other universe. Then we have an infinite recurrence, which is fortunately not the topic of this thread Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
It is only a "paradoxical illusion" because as yet we can not fathom the logic. Obviously you are suggesting a no beginning to all this....eternity both past and present. This is also just as absurd but by the same token just as valid. there is no reason why the universe could not cycle from one singularity to another.....afterall.....
