I Just Saw the season finale of Enterprise!!! *spoilers*

Wow, that was good.


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*I thought it was relatively predictable, of course it followed the usual format, everything goes well except for some glitches and suspense. JESUS! Right at the end, that came out of NOWHERE. I'm shaking... Ususally the endings of the first part in in season finales are related to the episode, and the episode builds up to that point. Out of the BLue... just Bam.. Nazis!!!!

How do you think this happened?

How did archer survive and how did he get there?

WHat will the enterprise do about it?

Future predictions?

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I'm going to watch it tonight. See if it pulls me back into the story. I dropped out in the first season. The main reason is That 70's show is on opposite it. They always have crappy American Idol on now though. Stinkin idiots. That 70's show is getting lame anyway.

 

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That was a reman nazi right?

 

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I will warn everyone that SPOILERS are going to be in this thread, so don't even read past this point.

I believe that The Guardians (Inter-Dimensional Beings) altered the past to punish Earth for destroying the spheres. I think Archer ended up in Nazi Germany (With a freaky alien) because he got to an escape pod, or was beamed off the ship by the Andorians (Jefferey Combs is the man!).

All in all, I hope this arc (Of setting time back right) lasts for several episodes; at the most five and at the least two. I would like to see a semi-alien Earth and see how the crew reacts.

Enterprise doesn't suck anymore!

 

I just had a sudden though. In one ST movie (The Voyage Home) they flew around the sun to go into the past; maybe they'll do the same?

 

Another revelation! I just now remembered where I saw that Nazi alien before! He's a Reman. It's the fucking Romulans! Reman are Romulan slaves... This doesn't make sense. The Romulans are screwing with the past or took over Earth in the 1940's. They have to be in an alternate reality.

The Reman are from Star Trek: Nemisis.

Factoid: Reman soldiers fought for the Romulans during the Dominion War.
Factoid: Since the Reman mines have not been meeting their quotas for months, the Romulan Senate is considering whether to open trade negotiations with Celes Two.
http://trekguide.com/padd/st10.htm

 

Ok , so I watched the final episode and thought it was good until the very end. How are they going to explain how the captain got out of the exploding ship and sent back to Earth over 2000 years befor, right during WW? This now makes me never again want to watch this series, which I've avoided since it started this incarnation. I have seen a few episodes just to see if it got any better and I thought it was until now. They have completly made this a mess and going back to WW2 doesn't make any sense at all. They should have killed off the captain and brought aboard another captain better acting that this guy. I hereby state I won't watch this shitty show any longer, they have destroyed it completly IMO.

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I will state this again, for the record. What makes you think they went to WWII? Hello, did you the Nazi Alien (Reman - a slave of the Romulans)? They aren't in the past, they're in an alternate future. Somehow the Guardians must of changed the past to alter Earth's future.

 

Why do I have to wait 3 months!

 

I just watched the episode, and in it's right there among the top 20 startrek episodes ever. This season has made Enterprise the best sci-fi show on TV since stargate went halfway down the drain.

And Cosmic: I could see you'd be upset about them bringing Archer back if he'd been dead for two seasons and suddenly reappeared, but he came back in the same episode he supposedly died, how could you possibly be upset about that? The only thing we really knew before his comeback was that he didn't make it back to the ship, to any watcher of TV dramas that just means that 99% of the time he'll be back by the end of the episode, or (worst case scenario) in the second half of a two-parter. This whole series has had time-meddling as backbone for craps sake, it won't take a genius to write up a good reason for Archer waking up in the middle of a Nazi camp.

 

It just isn't that appealing to me, sorry, I've had it with this series.

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Here's my guess as to what is going on with the ending. I think that the Enterprise accidentally wound up in our time line in the past. Something they do effects history and Archer is in an alternate future. Yeah I know there were Nazis but hear me out. Archer saw the space station. He was in the correct time. He was not on Enterprise when it came through the Vortex. Some how he escaped the Xindi weapon sphere and landed on Earth. It's the correct time period but some how history was altered. Who could have altered it? The Enterprise. They went back in to time via the Vortex, as shown can happen in previous Enterprise Episodes. They do something that screws up the timeline and leads to a future where the Nazi's are in power and they have Nazi aliens helping them.

The Nazi alien is not a Reman. A comparison of these picks prove it:


Reman:

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Alien in Finale:

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I tried to watch, but it didn't fully capture my attention. Too much missing background. It was definitely more action-packed than it used to be. I'll have to start watching it and try to catch up. I never got into any of the others until they were in syndication, so perhaps that will be the same case here.

I did notice a few things that struck me. During the big fight between Archer and whatever that alien was at the end, Archer head butts it. The head butt had no effect on it, so Archer than clubs it on the side of the head with his fist which totally stuns it. First of all, this alien had a big, scaly crest on it's forehead. Don't you think that would cut the hell out of Archers forehead? And it seems kinda silly for the next blow to have such a big effect.

Then, the alien flipped him around and Archer did this weird spin maneuver that just screamed cheesy at me. When he blew the thing up and blood splattered all over, I was totally shocked. That was very un-star trek. I can't say I've ever seen such a bloody confrontation in a Star Trek episode before. You can see how hard they're trying to get new recruits, the Grand Theft Auto generation. Next they'll be carjacking and killing whores. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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The alien nazis are definitely an odd twist. Strange that the nazis, who are xenophobic (or at least Germanocentric) to a strong degree, would accept aliens into their ranks. I wonder if the aliens are circumsized. I bet not.

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I suppose the aliens probably came to Earth and gifted the nazis with the power to beat their foes and that's how it happened. I'm sure that that will explain the alteration in the timeline.

From the pics, I'd have to agree that these are not the same species. They have similarities, but also differences. Would have to see one without a hat to be sure.

I think that the timeline alteration scenario is the correct one. It completely fits. I wonder if they'll fix the problem quickly in the next season or if it'll drag out for awhile, exploring this new future. I bet the vulcans will be the new jews. I'd think the Klingons would jump on the Nazi bandwagon, the ideology would suit them.

I'll have to start watching during the off-season and see if it makes more sense to me when it comes back around.

 

I just think they (the writers) are going over the same path over and over, noth that I bother. First the "being from the future who want to prevent archer to create the federation" used the sulabon, the came the Xindi , and I guess now it is the nazi turn. First they try to kill the guy , Archer, then the whole plannet, and now , their spirit or ideology. They coulnd't just appear before Hitler himself so they used an intermediate alien species. Could have been the Klingons but that would have been a to grave insult afterwards.

By the way I think they get their inspiration from to some other movies like the reptilian comander looks alot like the general from Galaxy Quest, and there are 2 movies I now about where WWII is involved in a similar way. One Where there was no Liberation , and you see Hitler when hee is 60 meeting JFK.
And one where an Aircraftcarrier travels back in time and is confronted with pearl harbour. Dont know if it was The Enterprise though.

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Isn't it amazing, those Nazis? Between the demon summoning, the alien intervention, the lance of Longinus, black magic, and all that crap, it's a wonder that they lost the war. Must have been that crack British corps of alien sorcerers that did it...

EDIT - misspelled "corps".

 

There is a saying that goes something like this: "when something reaches to the point where it involves Hitler or the nazis, it is a lost cause"

This might apply to trek. I know that as soon as someone compares to Hitler in a conversation, it is a lost cause.

 

ILikeSalt, you're talking about Godwin's Law. I remember an episode of ST:TOS where the Enterprise crew landed on a planet full of Nazis. They pulled it off, why not ST:E?

 

I've tried watching the latest season in reruns. I hope it gets better. I'd seen all the episodes they've shown so far, I think that's when I gave up on the series before. I'll try to stick it out a little longer this time.

To be fair, I'm not sure if they're all the last season episodes. I know they had the premiere, then they had the one where they turned into aliens (lame). Then they had a sexy slave on ship (sexy but boring). I think that one was definitely latest season, they were chasing the xindi. Nothing great yet though.

When do they crank it up, Coffee?

 

When they hit an episode called "Twilight". It'll get ten times better, I promise. Archer gets infected with a temporal parasite and wakes up in the future--Earth is destroyed and there are about 500 humans left alive on a foreign planet. He's lost his memory and everything. It's one the best ST episodes ever.