gravity as source of electric power. A finished research

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  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    chroot

    Q, you're in the Iron Magnet Church too?

    Sure, I was the Iron Magnet Grand Poobah three years running.

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  3. SISGroup Registered Senior Member

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    I am sory that i cannot visit this site for a while cause my money has run out.
    I see that you need more explanation about my concept of gravity. Ok, here it is:
    Every material in this universe has some kind of energy that used to keep the form of material. (this may similar with concept of zero energy, but I never read about it completely). If the material has massive weight therefore the energy is turned into gravity.
    Instead of keeping the form, energy of gravity also used to expand the size of material, so it attrack anything by giving energy.
    For instance, earth always attrack stone that we thrown to above. earth give energy to the stone, therefore stone has acceleration to turn down to the earth. The velocity of stone is available for receiving energy, but particle of light is not because it has absolut velocity.
    So, we can imagine that the earth's surface is surrounded by energy. it come from emptyness then flow to the surface of the earth then dissapear in the center of the earth, back o the emptyness.
     
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  5. Frencheneesz Amazing Member Registered Senior Member

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    "Instead of keeping the form, energy of gravity also used to expand the size of material, so it attrack anything by giving energy. "

    That sentence is articulated in the worst way I have ever seen. Attrack is not a word.

    "it come from emptyness then flow to the surface of the earth then dissapear in the center of the earth, back o the emptyness."

    it COMES from emptyness then FLOWS to the surface of the earth. THEN, it DISSAPEARS inTO the center of the earth, back TO the emptyness.

    Now that it makes gramatical sense, it still fails to make any conceptual sense. Nothing is surrounded by "energy", define energy and get back to us. Emptyness is not a thing.

    I'm very glad you have mastered the art of making shitty and illeiterate sentences, but maybe it would be cool for you to use standard english.
     
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  7. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Frenchee, I would venture that SISGroup has better grasp of Standard English
    than you do of Bahasa Indonesian, or perhaps one of the 600+ local languages
    spoken in Indonesia. Give him (her) a break and show a little tolerance.

    You have spelled "illeiterate" incorrectly. People who live in glass houses...

    Peace.
     
  8. Frencheneesz Amazing Member Registered Senior Member

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    "Give him (her) a break and show a little tolerance."

    FINE. Its just a bit annoying never to be able to be sure of his (her) meaning. Is he indonesian?

    "You have spelled "illeiterate" incorrectly."

    I'm sure you still understood the meaning. I wasn't contesting spelling.

    If his first language is not english then a break is most definately not what he needs.
     
  9. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    It seems it has been about 1 1/2 years since this topic has posted. Perhaps I should leave a sleeping dog lay but I couldn't resist. The following link is to another site that has posted my first patent with a question.

    To start this discussion let me make a couple of points.

    1 - This patent is and never was about a practical source of energy. The energy is to little in comparison to the size, weight and cost of such a device and certainly it employs hypothetical components. This patent is about establishing gravity as an energy related phenomena.

    2 - The "Bladder Valve" as he has called it is misdrawn and has evolved since the original patent was issued.

    3 - Considerations:

    a - Envision a valve which is thicker than the diameter of the sphere. This is so the pressure differential across the valve is never felt by the sphere directly.

    b - Consider a hypothetical valve made of "Ferro-Fluid" (FFV) and controlled by electromagnets and has thin elastic membranes at the top and bottom which has a perfectly elastic hole at its center which can stretch from 0 - ball diameter with minimal or no friction, that acts as a fluid wiper.

    (1) - In its energized state the FFV is sealed at the top and bottom by induction of magnetic flux into the FFV.

    (2) - Just before the freefalling sphere reaches the FFV a mechanisim absorbs its kenetic energy and then releases it to continue its downward travel by gravity.

    (4) - Upon reaching the FFV the upper electro-control magnet (ECM) is turned off. The FFV has an expansion chamber for fluid which is sufficient to allow the sphere to enter the FFV without pushing fluid out of the FFV area. The lower ECM forms a pressure barrier and no differential pressure is present as the sphere enters the valve.

    (5) - Once inside the FFV, the upper ECM energizes forming a differential pressure barrier. The lower ECM then de-energizes and the pressure of the lower chamber is now felt via the ferro fluid in its relaxed state, completely around the sphere and it is subjected to no pressure differential other than a minor buoyancy of the fluid.

    (6) - By gravity the sphere now drops through the lower membrane which retains the ferrorfluid in the FFV.

    (7) - The sphere falls free of the FFV and it becomes fully re-energized in preperation of the next cycle. (Simular to a chicken laying an egg).

    (8) - The released spheres weight is sufficient to submerge the sphere that is buoyant in the lower chamber and it rolls around and floats up adding its buoyancy to the stack which is sufficient to push the upper sphere in the stack over the top into the free fall chamber.

    (9) - The spheres are sufficiently buoyant that a vertical stack, i.e. 20 spheres, would have a density of 94 % of the fluid column such that there is just enough excess lift in the column to eject one sphere over the top and not enough buoyancy to keep the sphere in the lower chamber from being submerged by the weight of one sphere.

    This scenario suggests that gravity is indeed a phenomea of universal kenetic energy transfer. It is irrelavant that the FFV is hypothetical and not likely achievable in reality. It is irrelavant as to the amount of energy that may or may not be required for operating such an FFValve in that it does not directly do work against the pressure differential across the valve. So it is not physically re-injecting the spheres into the repeat cycle.

    Gravity injects the sphere, floats it up increasing its potential energy, pushes it over the top where its potential is converted into kenetic energy; which is captured and available for use, gravity then moves it through the FFV and is applied to re-injecting a sphere into the stack to continue the cycle.

    I received this patent while in nuke school and it earned me the nick name "Frictionless Freddy"

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    . It was brought up in class one day by the professor and I made him a challenge.

    I asked him if he was familiar with the tital dams. (Coastal area hydro-dams that produce electricity as tides come in and then again as they go back out).

    He said he was but then said the power of the tides was caused by the moon.

    My response was but how does the moon cause the tides? (Gravity).

    But then this affect also is slowing the earth so the earths rotational energy is being converted into the tidal electricity.

    While that is true, it also means gravity is doing a great deal of work (over time is power or energy) in stopping the earths rotation.

    Have Fun.

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  10. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Unfortunately not. See if you can determine why. Start with two spoke with a weight on each end, then add more spokes. In every case, you'll find that there is a point at which the wheel is balanced.
     
  11. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    You could also integrate the torque around a continuous wheel.
    In that case, I think it's even easier because Gauss's Law dictates that the total torque is zero (I'm not sure about this - it's outside my armchair expertise).
     
  12. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Pete,

    Who's quote is that? It certainly isn't mine. If it is intended to infer failure of the patent by innuendo, it shows failure of the reply instead. I would not attempt to evaluate the patent based on some other entirely seperate perpetual design. Try instead pointing out which step as outlined is physically invalid.
     
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  13. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    No, they're not your words; it's not meant to be a reply to you.
    I have no idea who I was replying to now - the post appears to have vanished!
    (Or maybe I've posted to the wrong thread somehow???)

    Odd.
     
  14. MacM Registered Senior Member

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    Pete,

    No harm, no foul.

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  15. Julixa Registered Senior Member

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    It seems to me that if there were a gravitational differential between 2 locations, the wheel wouldnt spin; the stronger gravity would migrate to the weaker gravity field and exert a pull over the wheel in the weaker gravity field, enough to cancel this gravity differential advantage.
     
  16. Julixa Registered Senior Member

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    It seems to me that if there were a gravitational differential between 2 locations, the wheel wouldnt spin; the stronger gravity would migrate to the weaker gravity field and exert a pull over the wheel in the weaker gravity field, enough to cancel this gravity differential advantage.
     
  17. leda Registered Senior Member

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    But surely, what comes down, must have gone up.
     
  18. bonemeal Registered Senior Member

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    No, that's equivalent to saying "earth is the center(atleast in gravitational terms) of the universe."
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    "I am sory that i cannot visit this site for a while cause my money has run out."

    Somebody send him some more quarters!
     
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