:m: are rules important? for example the law. without the law there could be terrorists everywhere, at least with the current set of mind of ppl. but the law can also prosecute ppl that didn't do wrong, or that broke the law for a good cause. a trial is about if someone broke the law or not, not if someone did anything wrong or not. just because it's more important to follow the rule than to do what is right. then there are rules everywhere. rules like in social games (is it wrong to swear? do i have to be polite? etc etc etc), rules in internet communitiesPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!, rules in school, rules at work, laws of physics etc. are they a reflection of the laws? or the laws are reflection of our rules based minds? i think most rules are superfluous. they are often more important than reality, or, more important to those they affect, yet they are there in order to affect things positively... quite paradoxical.
I think the necessity of rules is inversely proportinate to the level of common sense and selflessness that a person has/exhibits. For example: If people were not assholes and actually treated others with some consideration there would not have to be a rule or law against such beavior. If people weren't so stupid and selfish, we would not need rules governing what actions should be taken in what situations. If people would just use common sense, tempered with courtesy and selflessness reasoning, we would be just fine.
GO CONFUSCISTS!! An A-moral society imposd originally would have solved everything that we have now. End of discussion.
And have a society of complete anarchy? really, who would follow the rules?Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
who really does follow the rules anymore if you closely inspect? no one really.. they're just there basically.. p.s. my remark is quite open ended.. intended to be that way.
rules are very important...just go ask that nice policeman sitting over there in that donut shop. go on...ask him. *points*
"Laws make criminals of just men" in a society where prioity lyes not in the harmony of humanity but in the preservation of capital
Rules are important only to the extent that they are meant to be broken and questioned. -Fuck societies rules- Rowen
But, you must define these things. One person might think it necessary to say hello, how was your day, everytime they come home. The other person might find it annoying. One person might think doing drugs is fine, the other may not. We are all different. So, the only way success as a society will ever come about is when people allow each other to be different, and don't try to make others like themselves. However, often, people think their way of life is best, so they try to influence others.
That is part of not acting in a selfish manner, I think. Not only acceptance, but fostering of diversity and individuality is a direct result of responsible selfless behavior.
There is, of course, a problem with all of this:-- It is that if there are no objective laws or moral standards, or guidelines of any kind, then none of us have any grounds whatsoever to say anything about anything. One has not even an inkling of credibility in saying "laws are wrong" if there is no defined system to speak from. For in saying "laws are wrong", the person is saying that "laws are right"-- the law, in this case, is that which you stand on to criticize law.
You can't foster DIVERSITY and INDIVIDUALITY at the same time with rules. Scenario... A thinks drugs good. B thinks drugs bad. A votes FOR drugs. B votes AGAINST drugs. B wins... A is breaking the law, or tries to change the rules to suit him. Selflessness can not exist in this society of rules. A wins... B spends time trying to get rid of drugs. The only thing you can do is allow everything, but at what point does that infringe on others? I wrote about this in another thread yesterday, briefly, somewhere. It keeps arising.
There shouldn't even BE a vote on drugs because the society the would foster diversity and individualty would not legislate such an issue. If B thinks drugs are bed B does not have to do drugs. If B is not OK with that, then B is a sanctimonious moralist and is not acting in a selfless manner at all. A forcing B to do drugs against B's will would be an infringement on B's freedom just as B forcing A to NOT do drugs would be an infringement on A's freedom.
okay, how about this one: suppose i am pro communal ownership of property and my neighbor is pro private ownership of property. now, my neighbor has this beautiful ferrari. i would just love to take it for a quick ride, but i am a really terrible driver. do you think my neighbor would let me get within fifteen feet of that car? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! and the key to this is both systems cannot exist at the same time. either everything belongs to everyone, or some things belong to some people, and i'm stuck riding a bike to work. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Quick! Let's all get together and draw up plans for a new revolution in support of anarchical rule. he he
We all complain but when we need help we call the cops or lawyers or other governmental people to lend us aid. We are being rather foolish here because without laws we would have entropy.
Hi: Without defining "good and evil", rules do not work. As each of us have different definition of these two categories, we either side with the rules or defy them. It is not always selfishness that keeps us respecting or disobeying the rules. Most of us are "good citizens". we obey the law because we are convinced it is in a way to the benefit of us as a whole. We start defying the law when someone appears and changes our attitude. We are human beings. We do not want to live like zoo animals. We want to be free and at the same time behave in "human" way. People are different and good and almost all of them want to be respected and have a saying in their fate. If we are not mischievous and we do not want to fool them, surely they will abide by the rules that does not discriminate them. Look at the rules in a soccer game. The game itself is to amuse and to entertain us. Every one is to obey the rules, rich or poor, man or woman, black or white, strong or weak. Breaking the rules means a "penalty" and that is fair. thanks Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
