!!! If you're gonna quote a dictionary pay attention to what its saying....military and healthcare are NOT to do with the production and distribution of goods...this definition is saying that socialism is where they own and run all the companies that make and distribute EVERYTHING! TV's, canned food, pens, toilet paper...you name it...dont know about the rest of you, but while I do believe the current system is open to abuse, its better than a system equally open to abuse and where we only have 1 brand of everything available to us with no competition to encourage development and pricing. I am NOT going to use single sheet water proof recycled paper to wipe my butt! nb: also by the above definition, it could be claimed that the current capitilist systems used ARE socialist, as most companies are listed on the share market, hence making them collectively owned (at least after a fashion).
Of course not! Who would expect you to? We all know that capitalism offers us better lifestyle choices. There's a whole world 'o' toilet paper out there! You could try; Quilted Northern© Bathroom Tissue Scott® Surpass® and Cottonelle® Toilet Tissue Windsoft® Facial Quality Toilet Tissue Georgia-Pacific® Bathroom Tissue Kleenex® Hygenic Bath Tissue Scott® Jumbo Roll Bathroom Tissue Charmin® Bathroom Tissue And thats just from toiletpaperworld.com if you streatch your horizons further you could try wiping your precious arse with; Izal Toilet Paper (not my personal favourite Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) Andrex Toilet Tissue Wilton Technology - Toilet Tissue Devon Moor Ltd JUMBO TOILET TISSUE Cottonsoft Toilet Rolls Westons Internet Home Health Toilet Tissue Andrex Moist Toilet Tissue With Aloe Vera (Now we're talking!) Five Star Toilet Roll Horse head brand toilet paper Value Toilet Rolls Germoloids - Moist Toilet Tissues Velvet toilet paper Bounty Paper Towel Soft'N Gentle Bath Tissue There's many more but for some reason thinking about those tens of thousands around the world who beaver away day and night to bring me the best bog roll money can buy, just makes me wanna take a dump! Guess there's just nothing better the world could do with all that manpower. I'm off to the toilet! Sorry Tiassa to hijack your socialism thread with a demonstration of the benefits of capitalism! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Be back when I'm done. Dee Cee
Don't worry about it at all Dee Cee. In fact, I'll throw in a toilet-paper related tale of profoundly disturbing proportions: Anyone ever heard of Roger Penrose? Did I say "robbery"? I mean, "farce."
There is no monolithic defection of socialism; anyone who believes as such is not a very smart person. There is socialism like that of the Soviet Union in which all the assets of the nation are within the hands of the central government or as they would phrase it (proletariat). India on the other hand was socialist as well, Canada is socialist, Sweden by definition is socialist, and you would be hard pressed to find ppl who would disagree with those statements. But guess what they don't prescribe to Marxist theories, and they are essentially all capitalist nations. Socialism varies from state to state, and ideology to ideology. If your end goal is utilitarian in nature like Sweden and Canada, the way to achieve this is through socialism, not obviously lassiez affairs economics, or pure capitalism. If your goal is a Marxist communist utopia then the classic definition of socialism fits the tea. But every state on earth has socialist programs, why? Because their gov't exist! Government unto itself is socialist in nature. In a capitalist society gov't would cease to exist. Its not to difficult understand ppl, socialism is not monolithic by definition and those who say differently seem to fail from classes.
Isn't that a little removed from Socialism per se? While I admit a striking coincidence between a certain brand of green-politik and Socialism these days, I think it's symptomatic and non-essential. Make toilet paper from hemp, most of the problems are solved. And even Socialists would applaud.
Sheesh, sorry to get the thread so off track, I never knew so many of you knew SO MUCH about toilet paper! lol But in my own defense, the point I was making was about the misuse of a dictionary quote of all things ( and YES I admit that aint on topic either )....so anyways, back to your pinko lefty arguments folks, dont let me interupt Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Exactly. Thanks for once again flip-flopping in order to reinforce my point, a point which you were arguing against only yesterday. Nonetheless, you're right, it's not monolithic, therefore it's completely assinine to suggest that the U.S. is a socialist republic. Now if only that poor kid kid in 232 had been able to have nico as a tutor, he might have passed. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
To those of us who know what monolithic and socialism mean I think we should explore how much the gov't consumes in terms of GDP: All in 2001 figures: The world average gov't consumption of the GDP is 16.6% The US consumes 15.1% The Canadians consume 18.9% The EU average is 20.1% The Swedes consume around 26.7% The Japanese consume 17.6% Los Cubanos consume 26.3% The Chinese actually consume LESS then the US 13.7 If the US is not socialist then China is less so, I think we can quickly come to the conclusion that all states are socialist. Some more then others, and some to great degrees then others. But as I said yesterday It depends Tiassa what type of socialism are we talking about here? There is no monolithic socialism as some would like to believe. The US is socialist by nature, every state on earth is. The difference is that the US gov't doesn't officially endorse socialism as its economic system, which confuses many ppl. So what I wonder why that guy failed now? That community college must have sucked!
I would just like to say that I have been among socialists. I can admit this, because this is a just a board, and I fear here not a brick crashing thick through my window in Mayberry. Here I can say, if I may, not one socialist- not one- ever did me no harm. You object? Name one.
If not of them socialists ever did you no harm, then one might assume that every one of them bastards harmed you in some way, Yes?
Source: World Socialist Web Site (http://www.wsws.org) Article Link: http://wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/lab-m26.shtml Article Title: "Workers Struggles: Europe, the Middle East and Africa" Article Date: March 26, 2004 The World Socialist Web Site (your source for labor action news) reports on labor actions in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Just a rundown: - Europe • Telford, UK - Teachers strike: "job losses" • Police, Poland - Journalists protest: slander verdict/sentence • UK - Rail workers' ballot: "industrial action," maintenance contracts • France: Firefighters' labor action: Pension/retirement • Harnes, France - Factory labor strike: Health, information • France - Students, teachers protest: "job losses," reduced job creation - Middle East • Egypt - Engineers plan strike/march: Union representation issues • Israel - Bank workers request strike action: Committee fees - Africa • Nigeria - Lecturers' strike: outgoing Vice Chancellor • Kenya - Municipal employees strike: wage arrears (Clashes) Just to give a range of the issues: Or, to comment specifically, "You're kidding," "That's worth a strike?" and, "Stand the line." Or, so says me.
Roads = socialism? If this is what you meant, I suggest you stop recearching naval battle groups and start learning about a thing called "government". Publicly funded projects are not necessarily socialistic. The productive use of tax dollars is not necessarily socialistic. Taxes are not socialistic.
By that definition, a publicly funded national health service wouldn't be socialism either. Try telling that to Rush Limbaugh.
Anything subsidised by the Federal government has its roots in socialism. Nobody but the hard core anarcho-capitalists will try to tell you that stuff like police departments should be privatised. The question is, how much should the Fed be in control of? It's a case by case argument, in my opinion. Of course the hot button right now is national healthcare. While I am a staunch opponent of anything with its roots in progressivism I wouldn't have a problem with a national health insurance. Just don't make it compulsory, and don't let it become another bloated Federal program. Waiting 6 months to see an oncologist for a brain tumor is what I have a problem with.
Yes, but our present system is often penny wise and pound foolish. People with no health insurance and little money will often put off going to the doctor until they are in grave condition. Illnesses that would have cost a few dollars to treat in early stages end up costing thousands in hospital care. The potential savings in proper prenatal care in preventing premature birth is staggering.
Roads = socialism? Yup...are you paving your own roads? Who is paying for them to paved? The collective will of society, and her pocket book. By definition that is socialist. If this is what you meant, I suggest you stop recearching naval battle groups and start learning about a thing called "government". Gov't is socialist...I suggest you get a clue. Publicly funded projects are not necessarily socialistic. You are going to take a position, please have the intellectual fortitude to state your position in the most definitive of terms, because here...was the cognitive surrender. Thank you for the performance *applause* The productive use of tax dollars is not necessarily socialistic. Taxes are not socialistic Of course they are, they are taking money away from the individual for society ! AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! Do please get away from the 1 dimensional view of socialism please it is not very becoming of you.
"Cognitive surrender." Isn't that a nice term for "Please excuse me, l'm an uncreative but stubborn nincompoop that thinks he's part of a socialistic avantgarde since everybody knows that being an iconoclastic headshaker is the in thing", you overblown deviant? Government is socialist? That's a smidgeon too broad, if you ask me... or any other healthily nonradical, realistic person. Public roads are, by definition, socialist? Heh... no.
Rappaccini you are the embodiment of what I think the average person is like...you get the clue I suppose. So come back with an argument against me not a ad hom. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I will be waiting.
