We Muslims should declare Jihad against ISLAMOPHOBIA and HATRED

No I dont, i want France to be FAIR.

I did not send back anything harmful, I just told him, you are a fraud...maybe he can get something from my response.

 

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No I dont, i want France to be FAIR.


How isn't France being fair?

 

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You guys are HYPOCRITES !!!

When France or any western country oppress muslims, you justify that, but when muslim country oppress its non muslim minorites, you guys all shout like raped apes.....you are really disgusting.

So be it....we are ready...we wont sit and watch our BASIC rights of religious freedom being denied by some froggies.....

Certainly, you cant comprehend what the word EU means !! go get some education....

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Oh really ??? this muslim woman did not lose when she took the BELGUIAN GOVERNMENT to court for the same reason :

Veil ID woman wins case

BRUSSELS – In a ruling set to create a country-wide precedent, a Muslim woman who went to court after being ordered to remove her veil for an identity photograph has won her case, Belgium's 'La Libre Belgique' newspaper reported today.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/html/5693-Veil_ID_woman_wins_case.html

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When France or any western country oppress muslims

No one is oppressing Muslims here, I would agree with this statement if the law said exclusively "no hijabs are allowed" and only hijabs all other forms of religious expression is allowed. But that is not in existence, this is not a Islamic issue, and making into one is really not helping Islamic causes in Europe.

but when muslim country oppress its non muslim minorites, you guys all shout like raped apes.....you are really disgusting.

Firstly nothing of the stature of what is happening in Sudan is happening in France, secondly there is no apartheid as you claimed, and there is nothing being done in France could even begin to be classified as a "racist" or "prejudice" act. I have already said I am proud that Secular Arab states have recognized other religious sects, and their traditions. But unlike those states France has taken the opposite tact, which is revoking the privilege of religious expression.

So be it....we are ready...we wont sit and watch our BASIC rights of religious freedom being denied by some froggies.....

If you are in France none of your basic human rights are being violated, rather it is the opposite. If you come into a public place with religious symbols you are essentially breaking French law, and France's tradition of secularization. Also I don’t call you a sand ni**er, I don’t expect you to call the French froggies, let’s be civil shall we?

Certainly, you cant comprehend what the word EU means !! go get some education....

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I know what it means, please don't get on pseudo on me. You were the one with problems disguising btwn government sponsored apartheid, and inefficient bureaucrats.

Oh really ??? this muslim woman did not lose when she took the BELGUIAN GOVERNMENT to court for the same reason

Under Belgic law, under French law there is simply no case.

 

What the UN Charter for Human rights says:

So everyone has a right to be bound by the UN charter for Human rights.

- The law of France is secularization.
- If this law is passed then all French must obey to these laws.
- You are bound by the law, and you are before the law of said country.

- Which none have been broken, thus already there is no premise for this, you are being protected by the French constitution.

This is the most contentious part of the charter, and it could be intrepreted many ways.

- Non one is contesting the freedom of the French people to practice their religion.
- No Mosques, Synagogues, Churches, etc are being closed so freedom to practice still exists.
- In public could mean a vast variety of this, I believe this means the right to practice on the streets, at places of worship.

It's all interpretation, it does say that everyone must be subject to the countries constitutional values, and they are. Thus the premise may not be there.

 

So, you admit, muslim countries do oppress their non-muslim minorities. Perhaps this has something to do with the origin of Islamophobia. Doesn't this suggest that a theocracy is inherently unjust to anyone not sharing that theology?

I have expressed my opposition to the French law, it is stupid, like most things French. First they oppose fighting Saddam, now this.

 

Isn't the thread title an oxymoron. Jihad and [war against] hatred appearing in the same sentence? The ones who make war hate so shouldn't they fight against each other?

The last I checked the French were banning all religious clothing. Its not just against Muslim but against all religions. Point is it affects more than just Muslims.

I had a friend who was Muslim, was actually planning on joining the Taliban and going over to Pakistan to get recruited, and he came back from Mecca and would wear those hats. He used to get upset when some teachers asked him if he would take it off since there is a rule saying you can't wear hats in the classroom (that rule has been there for a few hundred years actually, not targetted against Muslims but as a manner of respect).

My friend and I used to always shake each others hand when we met and say "Peace be upon you", I being Christian and he Muslim. PM before you talk about Jihad it may be better to first think of peace. Is not the latter preferable?

 

According to who ???

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Tell that to the secular nuts...they are the ones who want to BAN religion all together....they are big dreamers.

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You see my friend, you dont even know what the hell you are talking about !

We dont have mosques that rule..we dont have IMAMS that dedicate our lives, we have ISLAM as whole which runs our lives..Islam is not only a religion, it is a complete way of life.

Students revolts ???

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you must have been high on something !!!

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By not allowing MUSLIMS to practice their religion.....we shall meet in court anyway and we will see how this racist state will be forced to abandon its racist law, otherwise, WORLD WIDE MUSLIM BOYCOTT WILL DO THE JOB.

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This law is designed for the hijab....otherwise how do you explain the fact that the jews and the christians there did not mind !!!

And what is happening in Sudan ???? Oh I see, the same BULLSHIT LIES again........but dont worry, I have something sweet for you:

The Sudanese civil war has generated a vast amount of propaganda and disinformation. The intervention in Sudan by foreign powers, especially the United States, and by civil groups with partisan religious and political motivations, has exacerbated and prolonged a tragic conflict by the deliberate and cynical manufacture of blatantly manufactured distortions, lies and hoaxes


The European Sudanes Public Affairs Council:

http://www.espac.org/allegations_of_slavery_pages/allegations_slavery.html

Give me a break.....I already showed you OFFICIAL REPORT about systematic racism and abuse in France.

Article 9 of the EUROPEAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT beg to differ....I am FREE to wear whatever I want in public or in private....you dont mind NUDE GIRLS, you dont mind PROSTITUTES in public, but you mind modest Muslim girls !

ADULTEROUS HYPOCRITES.

We were talking about the EU laws and the fact that they OVERPOWER the National laws.

Exactly, because French law is RACIST, but dont worry, we will FORCE you to change it and by the LAW itself.

 

Where did I admit that ??? I said when some muslim states oppress their minorites, of course some of them do that, but remember we have 57 muslim state....you cant generalize.

That is your opinion, keep it to yourself because we Muslims DISAGREE.

Great....we have at least something in common.

Cheers.

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Before you open your mouth and utter what you wrote, perhaps it will be good idea to know what the word JIHAD means !!!

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The Meaning of the Concept of "Jihad"

Another concept that deserves clarification due to the content of this article is the concept of "jihad".

The exact meaning of "Jihad" is "effort". That is, in Islam, "to carry out jihad" is "to show efforts, to struggle". Prophet Muhammad explained that "the greatest jihad is the one a person carries out against his lower soul". What is meant by "lower soul" here is the selfish desires and ambitions. A struggle given on intellectual grounds against anti-religious, atheist views is also a form of jihad in its complete sense.

Apart from these ideological and spiritual meanings, struggle in the physical sense is also considered as "jihad". However, as explained above, this has to be a struggle carried out solely for defensive purposes. The use of the concept of "jihad" for acts of aggression against innocent people, that is for terror, would be unjust and a great distortion.

Compassion, Tolerance and Pacifism in Islam

To state briefly, the Islamic political doctrine is extremely peaceful and moderate. This fact is also confirmed by many non-Muslim historians and theologians. One of these is the British historian, Karen Armstrong, a former nun and a renowned expert on Middle East history. In her book, Holy War, in which she examines the history of the three great divine religions, she comments:

... The word Islam comes from the same Arabic root as the word peace and the Koran condemns war as an abnormal state of affairs opposed to God's will: "When the enemies of the Muslims kindle a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it. They strive to create disorder in earth, and Allah loves not those who create disorder." (Koran 28:78). Islam does not justify a total aggressive war or extermination, as the Torah does in the first five books of the Bible. A more realistic religion than Christianity, Islam recognizes that war is inevitable and sometimes a positive duty in order to and oppressions and suffering. The Koran teaches that war must be limited and be conducted in as humane a way of possible. Mohammed had to fight not only the Meccans but also the Jewish tribes in the area and Christian tribes in Syria who planned on offensive against him in alliance with the Jews. Yet this did not make Mohammed denounce the People of the Book. His Muslims were forced to defend themselves but they were not fighting a holy war against the religion of their enemies. When Mohammed sent his freedman Zaid against the Christians at the head of a Muslim army, he told them to fight in the cause of God bravely but humanely. They must not molest priests, monks and nuns nor the weak and helpless people who were unable to fight. There must be no massacre of civilians nor should they cut down a single tree nor pull down any building. This was very different from the wars of Joshua. [1]

Following the death of Prophet Muhammad, Muslims continued to treat the members of other religions with tolerance and respect. Islamic states became the secure and free home of both Jews and Christians. After the conquest of Jerusalem, Caliph Omar calmed the Christians who were in fear of a massacre and explained to them that they were secure. Furthermore, he visited their churches and declared that they could continue to practise their worship freely.

In 1099, 4 centuries after the conquest of Jerusalem by Muslims, Crusaders invaded Jerusalem and put all Muslims inhabitants to the sword. Again, contrary to the fears of Christians, Saladin, the Muslim general who captured Jerusalem and saved the city from invasion in 1187, did not touch even a single civilian and did not allow a single soldier to plunder. Moreover, he allowed the invading Christians to take all their possessions and leave the city in security.


A portrait of the tolerance against Christians in the Islamic lands.
The periods of Seljuk Turks and the Ottoman Empire were also marked by the tolerance and justice of Islam. As is known, Jews who were expelled from Catholic Spain found the peace they sought on the lands of Ottoman Empire, where they took refuge in 1492. Sultan Mehmed, the conqueror of Istanbul, also allowed Jews and Christians religious freedom. Regarding the tolerant and just practises of Muslims, historian A. Miquel states the following:

The Christians were ruled by a very well administered state which was something that did not exist in the Byzantium or Latin sovereignty. They were never subjected to a systematized oppression. On the contrary, the Empire, and foremost Istanbul, became a refuge for the much tortured Spanish Jews. They were never forced to accept Islam. [2]

John L. Esposito, a professor of Religion and International Politics at the Georgetown University, makes a similar comment:

For many non-Muslim populations in Byzantine and Persian territories already subjugated to foreign rulers, Islamic rule meant an exchange of rulers, the new ones often more flexible and tolerant, rather than a loss of independence. Many of these populations now enjoyed greater local autonomy and often paid lower taxes... Religiously, Islam proved a more tolerant religion, providing greater religious freedom for Jews and indigenous Christians. [3]

As is clarified in these words, history never witnessed Muslims as "makers of mischief". On the contrary, they brought security and peace to the people from all nations and beliefs inhabiting the large territory over which they reigned. (For further reference, see Justice and Tolerance in the Koran, by Harun Yahya, 2000)

In brief, compassion, peace and tolerance constitute the very basis of the values of the Koran and Islam aims to wipe mischief out of the earth. The commands of the Koran and the ways Muslims practised them throughout history are so clear as to leave no room for dispute.

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Notes

1- Karen Armstrong, Holy War, MacMillian London Limited, 1988, p. 25
2- Feridun Emecen, Kemal Beydilli, Mehmet İpşirli, Mehmet Akif Aydın, İlber Ortaylı, Abdülkadir Özcan, Bahaeddin Yediyıldız, Mübahat Kütükoğlu, Osmanlı Devleti Medeniyeti Tarihi, (The History of the Ottoman State), Istanbul: 1994, İslam Tarih, Sanat ve Kültür Araştırma Merkezi, p. 467
3- John L. Esposito, The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality, Oxford University Press, New York, 1992, p. 39

 

http://www.reason.com/rb/rb091102.shtml

 

We Muslims should declare Jihad...

Your opening remark speaks volumes in regards to obsessive fundamentalism.

Is Jihad the answer to all Muslims problems, according to your worldview?

 

This law is designed for the hijab....otherwise how do you explain the fact that the jews and the christians there did not mind !!!

That simply cannot be proven, that is your overly subjective view on the situation. Again this is not targeting the Islamic community solely and it simply re-enforces the secular ethics of France.

And what is happening in Sudan ???? Oh I see, the same BULLSHIT LIES again........but dont worry, I have something sweet for you:

Firstly I was not even talking about Slavery, and then let us not forget that Sudan is indeed fighting Christians in the south. I was talking about the completely disgusting activities of the Sudanese government:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/sudan.htm

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-sdn/index

Enjoy reading the extensive list.

Give me a break.....I already showed you OFFICIAL REPORT about systematic racism and abuse in France.

Not government sponsored, the French government has done nothing wrong.

Article 9 of the EUROPEAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT beg to differ....I am FREE to wear whatever I want in public or in private....you dont mind NUDE GIRLS, you dont mind PROSTITUTES in public, but you mind modest Muslim girls !

But nude girls don't go into school do they? There are reasonable limits that a government sets out for its citizens. The EU will probably not rule against France, and this law breaks no constitutional laws with it. Rather it supports it.

ADULTEROUS HYPOCRITES.

Ok?

We were talking about the EU laws and the fact that they OVERPOWER the National laws.

I have asked you again and again to show me where in the EU charter where it says this.

Exactly, because French law is RACIST, but dont worry, we will FORCE you to change it and by the LAW itself

Again why do you use words that totally mis-represent not only you but your argument? This law cannot be racist because no race is being affected, secondly this is well within the realm of French law that all Muslims in France have shown to obey, before that of Islam. It's simple the French have this:

i) Following the laws of France
ii) Follow the laws of God.

If you refuse to do the first, not only are you proving that you aren't French but you are just proving the French groups who are against you, that you aren't French but rather Muslims. You want equality then show it, don't bitch about a law that doesn't even target you. You want it to stop, make a political party, you want it to stop petition, you can't sit on your ass and complain and expect things to happen. Welcome to the democratic process.

 

Would not be more appropriate to know what the word JIHAD mean first ???

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You dont know how all this shit started, go and read about it first.

all the argument in the French press is about the HIJAB not about anything else, the fact that this RACIST law ban all LARGE religious symbols is designed to ban the hijab( headsarf ) because this law will allow small crosses, but who determine the size of these small crosses....

GIVE ME A BREAK.....THIS LAW IS DESIGNED AGAINST MUSLIMS....WE GOT THE MESSAGE AND WILL RESPOND IN DUE COURSE.

The Sudanese civil war has generated a vast amount of propaganda and disinformation. The intervention in Sudan by foreign powers, especially the United States, and by civil groups with partisan religious and political motivations, has exacerbated and prolonged a tragic conflict by the deliberate and cynical manufacture of blatantly manufactured distortions, lies and hoaxes

http://www.espac.org/human_rights/human_rights.htm

ENJOY !!!

I agree it is not government sponsored, but what the government has done to combat this deep rooted racism against muslims in the French society ??

We shall see in court.

http://www.eurunion.org/profile/brief.htm

this law is racist in the religion sense, or shall I call it RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION ??

SCREW FRANCE if it will deny me my basic HUMAN RIGHTS of religious freedom, screw any country that interfere in what should or should not dress.....the government job is to protect me and find jobs for those millions of muslims with no jobs not to tell them what they should or should not dress.

this law is not only upseting Muslims but SIKHS as well:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A50831-2004Jan2?language=printer

Oh Please...what do you mean it does not target me ??? it targets my daughters and other muslim girls.......are you high on something ???

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Muslims are minority, they cant do much, BIG MASSIVE WORLD WIDE MUSLIM BOYCOTT of the French products and companies will FORCE your RACIST government to change its racist law...already the French foreign minister said: baning the headsscarf is causing so much headach for France in the Muslim world.

 

Proud Muslim, are you familiar with the Biblical passage which tells us "You shall know a tree from its fruit. A good tree bringeth forth good fruit, a bad tree bringeth forth bad fruit"?

Though you might make some factual points, you're serving a lot of bad fruit.