Walking through the fields one day, I saw a church where people pray I wondered why these people need to pray for something you cannot see and so I asked right there out loud What is God? And where are you now? And then at once a voice returned……. Some call me God, Allah or Jehovah I’ve heard all the names over and over Mohammed, the Buddha and even the Father, The Lord, the One and also the Master. Call me whatever, I really don’t care. I’ll love you regardless, I’ve plenty to spare. Dear child, I am here with you in this field where flowers bloom the air you breathe is where I am now breathe me out I’m there again I love you truly, yes I do and I judge you not, my yes it’s true. The bird you see up in the sky yep that’s me, I won’t deny that rock you see down on the ground that’s me alright, all curved and round keep walking and I’ll show you more you’ve asked me, so I’ll tell you all. You see the sun that shines so bright that’s me you know, I am the light the grass that grows beneath your feet that’s also me, all nice and neat and don’t forget that wondrous tree the shade it gives all comes from me. The clouds that form above your head to warn you that there’s rain ahead and when the rain falls from the sky each drop is me, I tell no lies. So yes child, it is me, no other but quickly now, go find some cover. The mountain ranges far and wide in which you view with awe and pride. The lakes and streams with water flowing there’s more to see so keep on going. The stars, the moon, the dark of night that’s also me for your delight and whilst you sleep and dream of things I show you what your future brings and when you awaken for the day my light shines bright to show the way. Out there beyond the deep blue sea I’m everywhere the eye can see the sand you feel between your toes that’s me you feel, I say it so I am man and woman and child as well these things and more, if you listen, I’ll tell. The desert plains so dry and hot What’s that you say? ‘that’s all I’ve got’ Oh no child, you are misinformed let’s see what else I’ve got in store……… All the creatures big and small the ant so wee and giraffe so tall the animals that live in trees or in the ground or in the seas it’s God that you have asked to seek come closer now, come take a peek. The Earth, the Sun, the Planets too The truth is here, from me they grew The Universe so wide and grand It’s all of me, do you understand? So now I’ve shown you what is me Just ask yourself….., do you believe? However if you don’t believe that all of this is truly me if I can ask you anything just do for me this one small thing go to your room and you will see there in the mirror, yes ……….that’s me. ------ Nathan Gardiner
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In africa as well, The famine swollen stomach of the sick fly infested dying child that's me as well Yes and more How about auswich treblinka and dachau where millions were cooked in ovens by loving images of myself in black uniforms. That's me as well. My piece de resistance was Noahs flood Imagine millions of me trying to breathe their last. Wild eyed and trembling millions of me gasping for that last lung full of air.
---------- M*W: To your soul, retreat, You'll never be complete, You live a lie, But your soul still won't die. And you'll cry out, Because its God you doubt. You reek in pain, But your soul remains. What good is death When you take your last breath? Your soul knows the way Beyond genetic decay. Shed your Earthsuit And you won't grieve, Because you know that your soul Will never leave. That's when you'll know That life is quite odd, All the while your Soul Was simply God.
In the begining was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God..... And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us......John 1:1-14
I agree with this to a certain extent. In the beginning was the Thought, then came the Word, the Thought and the Word was with God, the Thought and the Word was God. And the Thought and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
i liked all the poems, but i think that Greco makes an important subtle point. The first poem focused on all the wonderous things about the world, but that is not the only thing here, we do have famine, we do have disease, we did have the holocaust. If god is all, he is those also.
I agree with this to a certain extent. In the beginning was the Thought, then came the Word, the Thought and the Word was with God, the Thought and the Word was God. And the Thought and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. -------------- Yes, very accurate... I was quoting scripture, which is true - but to be more to the point and reveal on a deeper level what's lies there in the scriptures, there was a thought first. We existed as thoughts in the mind of God before the foundation of the world, attributes of Himself yet to be expressed. There's the answer to Job's question, given to Him of God; Job 38:3 - Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
If there is such a thing as God then why is it everyone doesn't either believe in it or practice other rituals that don't have a God involved with them and their cults or religions? If you say God is so great and powerful why is it over half of the world don't think it even exists at all? Seems if God was around it would make believers out of those who don't believe.
---------- M*W: People are looking for God in all the wrong places, and they won't find God there. God does not reside in a temple, synogogue, church, cathedral, Fellowship Hall, Kingdom Hall, Parish Hall, Northex, Buddhist Temple, Angkor Wat. God lives in all of creation but it can be seen in humanity. People just don't want to look there! They have this totally wrong idea that they are sinful and apart from God. Until people realize that God dwells within, they will continue to be led astray by their false religions.
...Or perhaps they are not looking at all. The idea of a god is completely independent to my life. There is never a reason for me to consider the preposterous idea of a being that has power over everything. Sure, science fiction and fantasy may purport such an idea, but I do not consider it real. It never comes to mind, or needs to. And you are right, your gods dwell within. Within your minds. Basic philosophy and psychology. What is real is in your mind. The only problem with the idea of a god is the lack of verification and lack of complete third party perspective. You can ask a fellow follower of a religion what he thinks of the supernatural activity in the universe and he will tell you God is all or something to that effect. Ask someone not following anyone or anything and he will tell you, there is no supernatural being controlling the universe. I use these terms generally, respond to them as such. Note that I did not mention whether or not the judeo-christian idea of god controls or watches. That isn't the point of this. The point is - your gods are real because you think they are real. Others do not think your gods are real because they don't need that false comfort and reassurance. That is why it is called belief and faith. People can have different ideas and still think they are the right ones. I accept the possibility that I may be wrong - if the rules of logic and science and everything humans have worked to understand for the past 2 or 3 thousand years are wrong, and there is/are god(s) controlling the universe, but I have absolutely no reason to think so. My life is better without it. I am happier not pretending to agree with elders about blatantly fucked writings and ancient ideas that no longer function well in our society. I am happier not living in a realm where whatever I don't understand I immediately attribute to "god's will" or god's doing and completely disregarding all evidence to the contrary of my inherently flawed beliefs. I used to accept what my elders told me. When I began to think for myself, I realized that nothing would happen to me if I didn't attend services. And I realized that there is no spiritual connection with anything. Through the rules of empiricism and simple logic, I realized that most supernatural, paranormal claims made by the religions and people claiming to be in that religion are purely myths. Myths just like those in the Odyssey. I would sooner believe in the Odyssey than the old or new testaments because it has better stories. That is all. Divine intervention and all that... is pure drivol. Completely made up in order to further certain people's hold over others. Control to a single leader and to maintain a rule of monarchy over all. Much like we are not in a democracy here in America, it is a republic with a dictator in the place of a leader. Well, that was fun. I am tired. Goodnight. (I am not going to pray... because it doesn't do anything. I was Jewish. Jesus was Jewish. So what? When followers form a group following some guy's teachings, it is called a cult.)
MedWom: You are awesome, seriously. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding, I did not mean to imply you had multiple gods, I just use that term to denote all religions in a general sense in my rants... So, do you consider yourself "spiritual" as opposed to religious...?
