"Somewhat" Biased Sci Fi Forum

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Truenemo1889, Jan 12, 2004.

  1. Truenemo1889 Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know how some star wars people ( At the bbs.stardestroyer.net ST vs SW forum) come up with the idea that the star trek universe would be a push over if invaded by the star wars universe.

    Some of the assumptions are outright ridiculous.
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    One superstardestroyer (or the death star) could take the whole ST galaxy
    A galaxy class ship has no chance to beat a corellian corvette.
    it would take a hundred borG cubes to destroy a imperator class star destroyer.
    and much more.....

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  3. EM_Pulse Registered Member

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    I'm no expert on SW technology but aren't most of their weapons lasers? Federation ships are completely unaffected by laser technology (TNG). This would instantly negate most of those pathetic claims. Also, the Borg would adapt to the SW technology as well so they would easily assimilate the new races. Not to mention 8472, I'd love to see an 8472 fleet wipe out the SW galaxy.
     
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  5. BigBlueHead Great Tealnoggin! Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but Paramount has been trying to get rid of Star Trek for decades and will take any chance they can to make it look bad. So, if Paramount made a ST vs. SW movie the SW types would win just so they could bury the series.

    Also

    1) Since you can see through the ST shields, lasers must perforce be able to travel through them at some frequencies.
    2) The SW psychics are "Choke people with their mind" psychics, and the ST psychics are "herbal tea and magic crystals" psychics.
    3) The SW types would clean up on the ground, because they actually use armoured vehicles and heavy weapons, which are largely unheard of in ST. Also, SW troops tend to be "thousands of armoured clones of Jango Fett", where ST troops tend to be "three or four guys in yellow shirts who are fond of the Kirk maneuver".
    4) ST starship captains invariably respond to any unknown situation by sending their captain off-board to investigate it personally with inadequate backup... many of Starfleet's lesser lights could be snuffed out with a series of giant intriguing-looking rat traps.
    5) ST's equal opportunity recruiting policies would allow the SW types to infest Starfleet with ensign-level scum and villainy.
    6) The Empire could easily swing many of the less loyal worlds to their side with the promise of "We will continue to not blow up your planet".
     
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  7. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    You can't shoot at something that can beam itself to any location.
     
  8. EM_Pulse Registered Member

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    In TNG there was an attack on the USS Enterprise and picard said revlead that laser technology had no effect at all on Federation ship's hulls. So, the weaponry of SW would be inneffective.
     
  9. BigBlueHead Great Tealnoggin! Registered Senior Member

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    Erm, no, he said they wouldn't penetrate their navigational shields. But you can see through them, so certain frequencies of light can pass through them, no?

    As for the monkey... you can't hit them when they're beaming around, but usually Starfleet personnel beam themselves somewhere and then stand there unarmoured like turkeys in the rain.
     
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    That is quite true. Therefore Star Trek would only win when they put some competent people in charge.

    They could beam someone into Darth's Vader bedroom and kill him with phasers on full power before he can wake up. Of course that would be against the code of conduct for starfleet personel.
     
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  11. BigBlueHead Great Tealnoggin! Registered Senior Member

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    Furthermore, the Dark Side of the Force would enjoy special recognition as an alien religion. Starfleet would not dare to try and wipe out an entire religion, now would they?

    Also, does Darth Vader sleep?
     
  12. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    I do think the lack of ground troup prowes on the part of Star Fleet would be negated by the fact that thier sensors have it goin on, and phasers are like pinpoint accurate. As long as they could win orbital superiority there wouldnt be any need for a ground war. And how long do you think its going to take for them to figure out that a star destroyers shields go down if you zap it on those bit upturned gonads on top of its bridge?
     
  13. BigBlueHead Great Tealnoggin! Registered Senior Member

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    Star destroyers were not the only craft that they could bring to bear; certainly many other craft have been introduced in the bloated SW universe.

    I would point out that the Sith were predominantly telekinetic, and most needed only an approximate idea of where their target was to be able to find it; Vader could choke people over the radio, for instance.

    Certainly the Jedi were expert infiltrators; a more likely scenario for the battle between the two would be a combination of Rebel-style commerce raiding and espionage Kyle Katarn-wise. Since the Federation and are largely awful at regulating their own internal security (particularly when attempting to resist mind control), the SW's might be able to take over without firing a shot.

    I must admit, no one seems to have their heart in it here; I would have expected several arguments from the ST side that I haven't seen yet, like these:
    1) Tiresome appeals to Q's infinite power
    2) Pointing out that light sabers probably could not deflect phasers
    3) Appealing to alien species "immune to the force", like that guy from episode 1
    4) &c.

    Finally, I have to say that the physics in the SW and ST universes are somewhat incompatible anyway, what with the "force" representing a constant view of the immediate future for the Jedi and other things like that.
     
  14. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd win, beating both, I would just turn both universes OFF.

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  15. BigBlueHead Great Tealnoggin! Registered Senior Member

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    You can stop the TV, but you CAN'T STOP THE NERD RUSH!
     
  16. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually If I was going to delve into nerdish behaviour, I would say ST would win based upon the technology used with the USS Relativity.
    Basically as long as that ship stayed intact, if they lost the war, they could just take strategic data back to the start of th war again, until they did win.
     
  17. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I guess it might also help that ST has a united front, whereas SW is all about internal dispute within one incestious family. They would kill each other first in SW even if a ST fleet would be knocking on their door with phasers on a notch above stun.
     
  18. BigBlueHead Great Tealnoggin! Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but once they had struck each other down, they all would have become more powerful than any of them could imagine.

    THE CLONE WARS

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    "You're not our fathers! Our fathers are dead!"
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