I never knew that giving up music could do so much!

I have an Eve 6 CD. And a few burnt CDs that contain two Queen songs, Marvin Gay, and a few other songs. Not CDs full of certain artists, just random songs that I find appealing. And I never really listen to them.

 

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"Some Christians prefer to serve their ministries/ I like to serve Jesus hot off the rotisserie/ It doesn't really matter/ That my soul is headed south/ Cause Christ is on the fire/ With an apple in his mouth."
-Coven, "Boneless Christian"

 

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"Let him who desires peace, prepare for war."
- Vegetius Epitoma Rei Militaris, 4th century, AD



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whoa, talk about derailing....
so anyways..

my favorite bands been cradle of filth for about 3 years or so, emperor a very very close second. right up there with 'em are the distillers, slipknot, and murderdolls. also some anaal nathrakh, iron maiden, and deicide but most of their songs i dont care for.
my curent favorite songs are cruelty brought thee orchids by cradle of filth, the heretic anthem by slipknot, towards the pantheon by emperor,digital love by daft punk, and the sound of silence by simon and garfunkle.


my opinion (however valuable that may be) is that this is more a reflection on your attechment to the 'escapeism' you get from music, not the capitalistic sociaty you've been raised in.
and whos to say you cant be reprogrammed? Just because youve been raised to be a member of this sociaty doenst mean you cant reject those values.

 

Why get pissed off just because you are attatched to your music?
As you say, it relaxes you and makes you feel good and it doesn't cause anyone any harm. The fact that you need a CD player to play your music and phones to listen to it is nothing to get angry or feel ashamed about, they are simply the necessary tools... unavoidable and irrelevant, as they merely serve as a means to an end, you don't get off by admiring the hardware, it's the music that turns you on.

I admire the fact that you were able to abstain from doing something you love just for the sake of it... the hole left by the lack of your habitual stimulus made you think and your insights have given you an inkling of your true character that maybe you should work on, with or without music. Abstaining from aural, visual, sexual and psychotropic distractions can make you very sober indeed.

But it's not really the music that is the issue here, because you guy have a problem. You have created a victim. You said something like, you feel you are trapped in this capitalistic society, like you're some kind of slave to it and destined to be a prole... BULLSHIT. There's a whole fuck'n world out there and a billion opportunities to become somebody, STOP seeing yourself as a victim or slave or as someone in the fuck'n matrix.

 

Why get pissed off just because you are attatched to your music?

I wasn't pissed off, it was nothing but a mere reflection of my state of mind, be good or bad.

The fact that you need a CD player to play your music and phones to listen to it is nothing to get angry or feel ashamed about, they are simply the necessary tools... unavoidable and irrelevant, as they merely serve as a means to an end, you don't get off by admiring the hardware, it's the music that turns you on.


Of course that would be true, if could listen to my music any other way apart from listening to it through a machine, and a necessary source. Yes of course the music to me is soothing and important to my life, but it was the mere fact that I need the machines to do that is what scared me.

But it's not really the music that is the issue here, because you guy have a problem.

Of course music is not the problem, as I have insinuated in the intro, the problem is me, and my state of mind. That state of mind being that of capitalist, born and raised. Exposing the lies of my life.

You said something like, you feel you are trapped in this capitalistic society, like you're some kind of slave to it and destined to be a prole... BULLSHIT.

Kind sir, then explain to me how I can get out of the capitalist system. And no I am not wiling to go to a religious organization; there is almost no where I can go to avoid this life. Do I want to avoid is the real question? Sure I may be speaking bad about capitalism, (who doesn't) but I believe sub-consciously I desire it, that is what makes me feel ill.

There's a whole fuck'n world out there and a billion opportunities to become somebody, STOP seeing yourself as a victim or slave or as someone in the fuck'n matrix.

Don't you see? That is what capitalist doctrine has told you:

There's a whole fuck'n world out there and a billion opportunities to become somebody

Why do I have to be a somebody? Why do I have to be more then someone else? According to Nietzsche that could because you think with the will to power. But that is capitalism at its heart, you have offered no alternative. To tell you the truth, I don't believe there really is any.

What music do I listen to Xev?
Well I also hate Brittney pop, I really hate anything made after 1988-ish. I am into new wave, the spoons (arias and symphonies the best imo), and other 80’s bands, and classical of course of course, oh and tango.

 

And I like some of Lenord Cohen's songs too.

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Yo! check your PM already.

:bugeye:

 

Coffee:
I think many of us have that sort of situation; where there are things that matter to other people intensely that we couldn't give two shits about. For instance, I can't for the life of me understand why anyone cares about having friends. In all my life the happiest, most wonderful feelings I've ever had have come when I'm completely alone. In fact, I've found hapiness to me is when I become completely alone. Unfortunatly, experience shows that's not possible for me in school setting.

 

a week doesn't seem like it's that much, you can always give up something if you subsitute it for something else, as an example during my summer and winter breaks I get the privilege to lock myself in my room for 2 weeks and the lack of internet does not get to me, but when I'm in school time and work time I can't let go of the effin keyboard to the point that my boss has gotten mad at me, for all it matters I can't believe I still have this job :bugeye:

anyway, 2 weeks without internet had me hooked on other stuff like watching TV. Also, I went 6 months without TV 2 years ago but I found myself playing a buttload of computer games

Moral of the story: nature abhors a void, take away everything you got and leave a void, see what happens...conditioning is inevitable

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the topic at hand...human nature is "partially" innate at least the way I feel it is, something to do with how the present collective consciousness affects individuals which is the "innate" part, then you got all these things you pick up as you go, which would be the learned part - if it makes sense :shrug:

 

Yes Oscar I agree that human conditioning is inevitable, and that is innate in human nature, because if we don't change we would die. But you see the problem with your experiments is that no matter what you gave up, something with almost equal value (TV, video games) made up what you lost. Try a week without any electronic devices; sure you may say you could do it. But the majority of us could only read so much, that would be an interesting thing to do. But I know I won't do it, albeit I would suggest it. How can we condition to nothing, all we would have is ourselves, and possibly the companionship of our friends (no phones). Things will get extremely boring, extremely fast. It is one thing to give up one thing, when you have alternatives. But you are deprived of them, you can't condition to nothing.

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It’s strange have you noticed this grouping effect happening people becoming like the people they spend time with or choose to talk to. For example, people that consider themselves the "intellectuals" they all listen to the same types of music concentrate on the same types of things read works by the same philosophers. Then there are people that consider themselves the 'rebels' the punk rockers etc. their whole theme is being unique and different but they all where the same type of clothing and listen to the same bands, and strive for the same thing. There are the usual media following zombie's who where the same clothing and listen to the same songs. Why is it that people strive to be different from everyone else an individual and at the same time do everything in their power to blend in? I know this comment doesn't belong here sorry couldn't help it my fingers don't obey

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Strange enough...today this psychotic teacher at my school told me this quote: "The hardest thing for a man to do is to sit still, alone in a room and be quiet"
I dunno where that came from, but it does have some relevance to this topic. I think you can go a very long time without doing something, but then you will decide to perform some sort of other activity to fill the gap. Humans naturally have to do something to occupy the time, unless you are a monk and condition yourself elsewhise. So I think that going without music should not be that hard unless you have a very narrow thought range.
Anyhow my favorite music happens to be metalish; slipknot, rammstein, system of a down, static-x, and so on... :m: